The 4th Amendment, Safe Haven...

United States
July 28, 2009 11:31pm CST
Do the police have the right to arrest a homeowner for being uncooperative? What is a safe haven? Have you given up your right to a safe haven or have you given up the right for others to have a safe haven? What is police abuse? Should we condone police abuse and not other abuses? Should we strive to prevent all forms of abuse?
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
29 Jul 09
Well, my Children have been abused by the Police 3 weeks ago they got put in a cell for a night and the Person that had started the trouble got away My Children where bruised and in a bad way and they are good Children ( both Adults) The other Person started a Fight and they let him of and arrested my 2 plus my Son's Friend People where trying to tell the Police it was not them 3 but they would not listen I do not trust the Police much anymore at all, as they are becoming as bad as the Criminals
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• United States
29 Jul 09
Gabs, I'm sorry to hear this about your boys. I know the police are over zealoused and they assume everyone is guilty and they do treat them badly. This is not the first time that I have seen or heard of the police letting the bad people go and arresting someone that just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
29 Jul 09
Hi Moondancer, I have a Boy and a Girl my Daughter sent me Photos of her Bruises and also of her thumb which was a Mess that the other Guy (the one they let go) had bitten, then they threw her in the Van, she had done nothing but to try and stop her Brother going for the Guy who had been hit by the Guy in the Face They did not phone me till the next Morning as they knew I would make the 3 hour Drive to get to get to them, my Sister in Law tried to tell the Police and they asked her if she wanted to be arrested to, that is ow they all got treated, they kicked my Son and they smacked my Son's Friend head against the Van They all ended up in the Cell for the Night and got let out with an £80 ($150) fine Of course the CCTV that my Son applied for where it showed the Police abusing them has gone missing, I phoned the Head of the Department who informed me that if I can prove it they will sort it yeah right the CCTV had gone missing the only prove we had
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• United States
29 Jul 09
I watched Sam Donaldson protest that the idea of bringing attention to the problem of police brutality is not worthy of National News. Actually I think it is worthy of International news. The only way we are going to get any of our human dignity back along with our inalienable rights is to expose the abuse that we have to endure. It needs to be recorded and witnessed and the police have to be held accountable for their misconduct. It is beyond disgusting and appalling!
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@moondancer (7431)
• United States
29 Jul 09
Many questions and they all boil down to do we want to get respect from the police or anyone in the law enforcement line. Governmental is the same. They no longer have respect for us as individuals. They tell us how and where we can live, the color of our homes, they take money from us when they choose to, even what we can and can not have in our yards and on our porches is dictated to us, and the poor are suppose to have the inside of their homes just as nice as people making much more money and they have what most dream they could have in their homes. In other words people are judged by what they own, where they live, and what they have. The neighborhood that you live in, the police will monitor more, the rich neighborhoods they strive for better service. They want to arrest anyone and I do mean anyone that even looks like they do not belong there,(that is to say to them), some police act with little or no patience with people. This is why the people revolt from them. The police sometimes have an attitude that everyone is doing wrong and they just need to catch them or something like that. It's the way they act towards us. Like we are criminals when in fact we may not and most likely never been in trouble before. We just need help and they ignore us, or act as though we are a bad person. I have gotten this treatment from the police at the police station when I went in to ask about something. We have never tried or expected to give up our rights as a human being or a person, these rights have been taken from us. It seems many time that they try to strip people of their dignity. The thing for people to do is to hold their ground and be just who they are and be proud of what they have accomplished even if it is not much because of their circumstances. Police need to realize that not all or even most people are not bad people. Except for going to the police station and being treated badly there, I have had a good relationship with the police.
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• United States
29 Jul 09
I hear ya Moondancer, I couldn't believe that I found a lying detective accusing me of something that another person did!?! Some detective, I've had dogs smarter than this person, I don't feel that lying makes a person smart, in fact quite the opposite. Liars are cheats and bullies, I'm going to get off of my soapbox now before I really get wound up...
• United States
1 Aug 09
There really is only one attorney good enough for my case, some people call him a fool... I hope they are absolutely wrong!
• United States
30 Jul 09
I understand...keep the faith and I hope you have a good attorney.
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
29 Jul 09
YEs we should try to stop all abuse! Even from the police!
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• United States
29 Jul 09
I do so agree... !!!
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
30 Jul 09
The police have no idea what a person may do. They do not know if the home owner may go at them with a knife. They deal with criminals and bad people some who are sociopaths and have nice faces. The police have the right to take the home owner in for questioning, and the right to arrest him if he does not show the proper id. They do not have the right to beat the he!! out of him if he has his hands tied. If the man looks as if he can fight and beat them, the police have the right to defend themselves. So we should not condone anyone beating up someone whose hands are tied and cannot defend themselves. It is very simple. But if the man has his hands and feet free, the police have no idea if he knows karate or juijitsu, so they are given a bit more leeway.
• United States
31 Jul 09
Actually, without probable cause, police do not have a right to I.D.-- we fought (or so we believed) against the whole "papers please" phenomenon.
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• United States
1 Aug 09
Technically the police wish to question a man that claims to be a homeowner where a neighbor called in to report a suspected burglary, what is the proper procedure when the person in the house identifies himself as the homeowner but refuses to offer any documentation? There are other officers on the way, and which one of them is bringing the warrant signed by a judge? Can you say total breakdown of our constitutional rights? What is a Terry stop and what is reasonable suspicion of a crime? In this case where was the crime?