Why does it matter? Some thoughts on the birth certificate issue.
By debrakcarey
@debrakcarey (19887)
United States
August 5, 2009 2:06pm CST
Obama is spending millions in his refusing to produce his long form birth certificate and college financial records. Some of you have asked why keep at this or chosen to believe main stream media when they say it's all over, case closed. Here are some reasons why it isn't closed and why it does matter.
First of all, any one can get a copy of a certificate of live birth. I can send for one for any of you if I know your parents name and your birth date and place.
Next, there are two reports of Obama's birth in Kenya. One from the woman who mostly raised him, his mother's mother. BTW...he went to see her as she was dying. Keep that in mind. Did he secure the only copy of the actual document? The other from his father's mother who claims to have been a witness to his actual birth.
Next, There is the letter to the Kapi'olani hospital purportedly from Obama, which no one in the White House will acknowledge one way or the other, in which Obama claims this hospital as his place of birth. His signature is on it, if it's not real shouldn't he be concerned? Wouldn't that make the news if someone forged that letter. A letter being used as advertisement by the hospital? Nevermind his web site StoptheSmears.com claimed to be telling the absolute truth when it posted Queen's hospital as his place of birth. And that after he supposedly sent this letter to Kapi'olani hospital, StoptheSmears.com disappeared off the net and not even archived pages could be searched. And after some investigators from various media sources were trying to locate a doctor, nurse, attendant from either hospital that may remember his mother or his birth...none were found.
The Department of Defense allegedly compelled a private employer to fire US Army reserve Lt. Cook from his civilian job after he had his deployment orders revoked for arguing in a court of law that he should not be required to obey the orders of a bogus commander in chief. He was fired after his security clearance was taken away. The employer claims he was fired DUE TO his security clearance being taken away. HMMM? He is suing said employer now. Hundreds more military personel, active and retired have joined in a suit demanding proof of citizenship. A California judge has agreed the case has merit and is awaiting a response from the White House to produce documents to proceed.
Other records have been hidden and Obama refused to make available. His public school records from Punahou and the Hawaii Department of Education. Surely Hawaii wouldn't have destroyed them too? We've seen documentation of OTHER births from the week, month and year of his birth...why was HIS hinted at as being destroyed?
Back to his school records..they would contain a copy of his, you guessed it, birth certificate! Same with his Occidental College financial records. Was his scholarship one that was reserved for FOREIGN students? On to Columbia University. Obama claimed to be part of Black Student Organization and an anti apartheid group. Not one student from these groups can remember him...you'd think if they'd known the President in his college student days..they'd be jumping in line to say so.
A former professor from Columbia 'may have thrown away' the supposed thesis Obama wrote while a student at Columbia. But this professor is a campaign contributor of Obama's...so can we believe him? Seems alot of Obama's life on paper is in the trash can somewhere. obama doesn't even have a copy of the thesis which he supposedly got an A on. I have the original of a thesis I wrote and I only got a B+ Same professor wrote a letter of reccomendation when Obama applied to Harvard. Why the secrecy if he had such a stellar college career? And has nothing to hide?
Speaking of Harvard, his grades weren't all that great. So what you say...well guess who intervened on his behalf with the school? Khalid al-Mansour, an advisor to the Saudi prince as well as Obama, along with some of the Black Panther group members too. We won't even get intot he class of people who do claim him as a close friend.
NO record of a scholarship is available for all this EXPENSIVE education and not one shread of his school records been made avialable. It is said he got through school with hard work and student loans.
But then we would see WHO DID pay for his way to the White House wouldn't we?
And then there is March 2008.
Three State department employees made an unauthorized search of Passport records containing Obama's passport. One was disciplined and two were fired...a key witness, Lt. Quarles Harris, who was cooperating in the case, was found shot to death in front of a Washington D.C. church. No arrests have been made in this case.
John McCain released 1500 pages of medical records collected over his Navy Career in 1999 when he ran for president. It is common for those running for president to do so. McCain was lambasted in the press for his age and the possibility of ill health...while Obama is supposedly a young man in good health..the medical record Obama contributed was a six paragraph note form his physician! Al Gore produced documentation, John Kerry produced documentation, EVEN George Bush produced varifiable documentation of their health while campaigning for the high office of president.
Then we have the millions of dollars to keep all these records hidden. Who's paying for THAT? Multiple law firms have been hired to answer to the many law suits and requests for disclosure. WHY? When it would be so easy to just give us the information we ask for from the man who said his presidency would be transparent!
Now this man tells us he has OUR best interests at heart and to trust him as we allow him to turn our country into a socialist nation at best and a pawn of the new world order at worst....and YOU BELIEVE HIM?
My question to those who think this is a dead issue....what HAVE you been drinking?
2 responses
@mel13088 (265)
• United States
5 Aug 09
I haven't heard about all of this. It does sound kinda fishy that they could come up with a "Certification of Live Birth" but not a "Certificate of Live Birth." I feel like Obama should have had to present a Birth Certificate if there was any doubt at all. When I got my liscense at 16, I had to take my birth certificate with me to the DMV. It also sounds sketchy that they can't find school records for him. They can find records on every other previous president so its a little weird that they can't find Obama's records. The murdered State Dept employee who made an unauthorized search is a little weird too. It just doesn't all add up.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
6 Aug 09
He'd rather spend millions keeping it all under wraps. What other president has done this before. Seems to me that they've all been in kinda a hurry to gather the paper trail of their lives in one place for posterity. Not Mr. Obama...WHO throws away things like a thesis you wrote your graduating year of Harvard?...when you got an A on it? Who hides his K-12 records from the public when he seems to LOVE the spotlight in all other matters of life? YOu're right, it's not only fishey...it's a rotten FISHEY.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
6 Aug 09
With privacy laws you have to have permission to make someone's vital statistics, school or medical records public. Most politicians both Democratic and Republican accept this as a part of serving the public. Not so, Mr. Transparent Obama. My question is WHY? When he knows the public is clamoring and even demanding through the courts for his disclosure of these records. And the fact that mainstream media is up until just recently, not been reporting on his refusal, but apparently aiding his coverup with misinformation.

@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
6 Aug 09
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/6559416.html

@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
7 Aug 09
I think it's very crazy to be calling ANY politician the messiah. That's way crazier than the birth certificate conspiracy thing, actually (I'm not calling that crazy, the op ed guys are, but I'm not buying it either). btw another op ed guy wrote about the birther thing in today's paper, but he used the word crazy way more often. Here is his take on it:
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/aug/04/eugene-robinson-birthers-take-cake-for-looniness/
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
6 Aug 09
Wouldn't be the fist time someone used the 'you're crazy' tag to shut someone up. Fact is, a judge in California said the case had merit. Is he crazy too? And if we are crazy...why won't he just produce the long form and shut us up? Why does he go to such GREAT lengths to hide all his personal information? Most candidates for federal office and those who are actually elected to high office are more than happy to produce their personal papers, if not just for posterity sake.
Sorry, call me crazy...there's something real fishy going on? Thanks for the link...but it does not convince me of the craziness of those asking for the birth certificate. It just convinces me that disinfromation and propaganda still works on those who write op eds.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
6 Aug 09
Dawn think on this a minute...or more if you have the time.
There are those who are writing or have written pieces calling Obama..the Savior, the Messiah. As an agnostic/atheist....do you not think that is a bit 'crazy'. Why is there no op eds on how crazy that is? Especially since the majority of democrats are also of the mind that the Bible is useless and Christians are dangerous.
Why don't they say...oh no! Don't call him that! He's NOT the messiah!? And yet there is no one that I know of writing op ed's on from the Democratic party viewpoint saying that that is crazy....is there? Read my discussion on Blasphemies....and follow that link. Why is it that those kinda 'crazies' are allowed free reign...and yet millions are spent trying to keep school records, medical records, and other documents that would PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is a citizen, IF he has nothing to hide...hidden. I'd be happy to send an personal apology to him myself if he'd prove he was born in Hawaii with a certified copy of his long form birth certificate. I'd even say..."I was wrong."
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