The Two party system must be abolished

United States
August 9, 2009 3:15am CST
The plain and simple truth is that, in the US there is no room for a 3rd party on a national level. Sure we all feel good inside when we vote for that silly man from the green party running for the town treasurer, but on a national level, independents have never even really come close to securing the presidency. Even Ross Perot, who got nearly 19% of the popular vote in 1992 failed to win a single state even with his hot button campaign issue of national debt. In fact he was often accused of stealing several liberal republican's and moderate's votes from Bush Sr. With our system, the only way laws get passed are if you remain true to your party. Even if we elected Nader as a green party president, he would have little effect if he didnt follow the democrat agenda. Therefore, I believe we should abolish parties all together.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
9 Aug 09
"Therefore, I believe we should abolish parties all together. "You won't get an argument out of me on that one. The deeper simple truth is we are in fact a one party system, that party, I'll call it the "authoritarian" party is made up of two very similar factions, democrats and republicans. Though on the outset, the two apear starkly different, when you boil it down to the important differences, well, there are none. Both parties are moving the country in the same general direction of centralized government, powerfull government and a superceding, top down system. Both parties move us away from our system of federal repubucanism. Both parties believe in massing massive numbers of laws. Both parties spend like drunken sailors. Both parties continue to believe in a fiat currancy monetary system. Both parties aquies to international bodies and preasures. Both parties are more than happy to continue getting us in to complicated entanglements and relationships abroad. Both parties are more than willing to carouse with dictators if they think it suits the countrie's needs at the time. And both parties contnue to spend millions of dollars and thousands of man hours to shut other parties out of the debates and elections. The list goes on and on. What this leaves us with is the illusion of choice, the illusion of "change" every time one faction or the other wins a majority in congress or lands in the white house. The two factions bicker and fight in a grand standing fashion, creating the illusion of debate and in the end, all we have is theater of the obsurd. I don't think even electing a third party president will effect total change either, though it certainly would benefit some and would go far in breaking the cycle of redundancy in washington. No, we must also begin looking at other parties to send to congress. We must also, and pay attention because this is far more important, MONUMENTALY important in fact, we must begin doing this AT THE STATE LEVEL. In order to begin any genuine change in this country, we MUST change our state governments. THAT is where the true power lies. The federal government, no matter WHO is on the majority there, cannot function or even exist with out the consent of the states. NO federal action can carry weight or have effect domesticly with out the backing of the states. It would only take a small hand full of states to make a huge difference.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
10 Aug 09
secession is a bad idea, though texas is one of the few states that could curvivie on it's own. But I realy don't think Texas is going to secede. I know they passed a resolution reafirming their 9th and 10th amendment rights and authority, but that is not secession, many states have actualy done this recently and the myth floating around is that they are secession resolutions, this is absolutely not the case.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
10 Aug 09
Chuck Norris says...Texas about to secede. Any thoughts?
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
11 Aug 09
He wrote a piece on dprogram.net He was speaking as if he had inside info.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
10 Aug 09
Wait long enough and I can agree with just about anybody. For once I agree with you my friend.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
9 Aug 09
We don't need to abolish parties. After all, a party is merely a group of like minded people. To abolish them completely would be a direct violation of the US Constitution. However, I do agree with your point. What we need to do is return the the Constitutional method of running the houses of Congress, and the office of the President. The way Congress is run now, Senators can hardly claim to be the voice of the states, and Representatives can't say they work for the people in their districts. They answer to Majority and Minority party leaders. The answer? abolish all language in both houses of Congress that have anything to do with party. Parties would simply be affiliations, not governing entities.
• United States
9 Aug 09
i would say that it is not only legal to abolish parties, but necessary for the well being of our country. There is no where in out constitution that establishes parties, or even supports them if im rememebering my government class correctly. George Washington even warned strongly against the formation of formal political parties in his farewell address from office. Parties do nothing but dilute the true will of the people. As far as im concerned, the closest association that I want to see from politicians is calling themselves liberal or conservative
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
9 Aug 09
No, but there is freedom of assembly, association, advocacy and speech. The government has no right or authority to tell We the People that we can't join together with other like minded people and form a party. Where the government crosses the line with parties is the official recognition given them in most levels of government. Remember, the government can't abolish any group simply because it's a group. They couldn't ban membership in the Mafia, streetgangs, motorcycle gangs, labor unions or hate groups. But that doesn't mean they have to grant any of those groups a place at the government table. That is what has happened with the 2 major parties. They get a place at the table, but no other group does.
• United States
10 Aug 09
This is true, but they are only allowed to exist because they do not infringe on the rights of other americans. We do have Illinois nazis, sure, but they are only allowed to be because even though they preach hate, they dont act on it in a criminal or obstructive way. I would argue that parties do just this by not truly allowing the will of the people to surface in american politics, but rather forcing people & congressmen to vote down party lines in order to be effective.
@oneidmnster (1385)
• United States
9 Aug 09
The only people that can abolish our two party system are the Amrican people.To put it bluntly,the American people don't have enough common sense to realize the system isn't working.Obama is in office because McCain wasn't a strong enough candidate. I don't know why anyone would vote for someone because of the party they represent.That's very narrow minded.As long as we have one party or another controlling Congress,we'll never get things done right. Politicians are only in office to help themselves.They don't care about the people they're supposed to be representing.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
10 Aug 09
Obama is in office because the American people were scared of another Bush...and paid not one iota of attention to just what this liar we have now...was about. I am all for kicking them all out in 2010...when many of congress come up for re election...that is unless Obama declares martial law and has us all in FEMA camps before then...guarded by recruits that found their job on MONSTER.com IN which case there will be NO elections. We need to wake up to the fact that we've been being lied to for a long long time...and all these idiots are in cahoots. Just my opinion...exercised under my freedom of speech right granted to me by MY Constitution and Bill of Rights. So, before anyone reading this turns me in to the White House for being 'fishy'....let me just say...no matter what happens to America, God wins. And I'm on His side.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
10 Aug 09
btw...I agree with you.
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• United States
10 Aug 09
Politicians by nature will promise their constituents things that will get them elected, and these politicians may very well want to represent these rights at first, but they quickly find out that without party backing, they are simply useless in congress. Those who dont vote with the party might not see funds from the national committee when re-election time comes, or they may find that the laws that their constituents want passed have no support from their party, and thus they become alienated. In Washington, you either play ball or you go home. This is something we shouldnt stand for. In this system bi-partisanship is a rarity, if not a oxymoron. I cant count the number of times that I have caught myself hating republicans just because they are republicans, I cant seem to find any common ground with these people, even if we all do want what is for the common good
• United States
9 Aug 09
I agree but still how do you combat the togetherness of one group against another one Whether it's called Republican or Democratic group or talk show and media groups or Certain skin color groups the financial rich groups or the middle class groups the Corporate groups the small business groups the lobby groups and the humanitarian Groups. Most groups claim to do what is right for all of America and the American way of life When they have done everything under the sun to make sure the elected President fail Because of race more than anything else making comments like this health care reform Will be his Waterloo,During the elections the republicans wanted to come with race Smearing to win and have not stop yet showing pictures of the American president With a toothbrush mustache it want be long before the start verbally connecting Trying to connect him to the N word this is what some people have to go through on a Day to day basis. Good example with Health Care Reform and the town hall meeting you can rest Assured the republicans in my opinion have a lot to do with the turmoil there and It never ceases to amaze When Sarah Palin speaks not only do people listen they Are quick to take action when it is spoken by the political motivation of the Republican party maybe that is one of the reasons why she left out of office early To speak against Health Care Reform and stir up immediate confusion and kaos when she can take time out from her busy projects and agenda I wonder how the former Governor of Illinoise is doing would Sarah know the answer to that question?
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
10 Aug 09
Dear friend...it is the media that tells us we have to be at each others throats. It is one party telling another we are diametrically opposed to each other...it is the White House who is calling any who opposes Obama, CRAZY....it is NOT just the Republicans...Obama himself said he practices Chicago politics....it is Obama saying shut up! It is Obama asking us all to report on each other if we smell something fishey! Wake up....the more they can keep it US against THEM
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@irishidid (8688)
• United States
9 Aug 09
I find myself frustrated with both parties. They tend to go slightly insane when they are in power. Okay, more than slightly insane. They rarely do things that benefit the people, make laws that hurt some people, and just don't get it. I hate what the democrats are doing to the country just as much as I hated what the republicans did when they were in power. Neither side gets it.