What do you think is causing health care legislation protesters?

United States
August 10, 2009 11:44am CST
Here in Missouri, a man protesting the health care legislation was beat up. Nanci Polosi has called health care protestors "Nazis". A photographer taking pictures of union members harassing protestors had the camera shoved into his face. Over the last week to ten days, violence against health care protestors is increasing. To what do you attribute this escalation in violence? I will refrain from giving my opinions until a few people have responded. I do not want to influence the discussion, one way or the other.
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@kykidd (6818)
• United States
10 Aug 09
It seems to me the government is trying to force something down the throats of people that is not wanted. The people who are against the health care reform bill have reason to believe that the elderly people will not be taken care of with this bill. Also, if you lose your current insurance, from loss of job,etc., then you will be forced to take on the government's health care insurance. The people also believe that they will not be able to go to the doctor when they need to, and that they will not be able to choose their own doctors.
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• United States
11 Aug 09
Hired thugs. It is nothing new hell even Woodstock hired the bikers to do the dirty work. They may not get a strait out paycheck but they get something I am sure.
• United States
12 Aug 09
I realize that there are people who do not believe that this happens, however, I have held one union job in my life. I left after they told me that the job required union membership and union membership required voting the way they told me to, going to the rallies they told me to, and attending other activities they told me to. If you are the party of the unions then you have an automatic grass roots army that will do whatever they are told.
@spalladino (17921)
• United States
10 Aug 09
It's coming from politically motivated and economically motivated ORGANIZED groups whose sole purpose is to make it impossible for anyone to discuss anything at these meetings. The private insurance lobby has economic reasons to be against it, many unions are backing the private insurance industry so they're against it, the Republican party has political reasons for wanting this legislation to fall flat on it's face, the Democratic party has political reasons for being in favor of it, the uninsured have economic reasons for being in favor of it. Since these protests are happening at the town hall meetings hosted by Democrat representatives...see above. There is one reason for these protests, which are escalating naturally as they receive more news coverage and more folks decide to join in, and that is to make discussion impossible. The opposition does not want folks to be able to learn about this bill or to be able to discuss alternatives or improvements that can be suggested by their representatives when they return to Washington. These groups are silencing both the elected officials AND the people they represent because their goal is to keep the conflict going in an effort push their personal agendas forward. Nothing is accomplished when people scream & shout...and that's exactly what they want.
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@ParaTed2k (22979)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
10 Aug 09
It's coming from Americans who don't want this bill. I'm truly saddened by your complete contempt for the freedoms of anyone that disagrees with you on this.
@piasabird (1737)
• United States
10 Aug 09
"The private insurance lobby has economic reasons to be against it, many unions are backing the private insurance industry so they're against it, the Republican party has political reasons for wanting this legislation to fall flat on it's face, the Democratic party has political reasons for being in favor of it, the uninsured have economic reasons for being in favor of it." Um .... actually, I thought that it was the union goons who were coming out in support of the Dems and the health plan. I know that my union is in favor of anything Obama wants to do. After all, they paid for him and now they're going to support him and he them. It's you wash my back and I'll wash yours. And since when is dissent bad? It was alright for groups like Code Pink and MoveOn.org to do it to Republicans and Bush? Even Shrillary Clinton says it's not unpatriotic to protest. And I doubt that these people are actors. They may be organized but I think they're anger is real.
@spalladino (17921)
• United States
10 Aug 09
"It's coming from Americans who don't want this bill." Really, Ted? So there are no ObamaCare thugs at any of these meetings causing problems? Newsflash, there are folks at these meetings making noise so that the folks who don't want this bill can't be heard. "I'm truly saddened by your complete contempt for the freedoms of anyone that disagrees with you on this." I'm truly saddened by your complete lack of understanding about what's going on right now, Ted. I don't give a rat's a$$ whether the protesters are for or against the bill, what I care about are the very freedoms you accuse me of having contempt for. NO ONE can be heard if SO MANY are screaming but I guess freedom of speech, the free flow of information, the right to be able to ask a question and have it answered mean nothing to you.
@nangel78 (1458)
• United States
11 Aug 09
I think everyone should have access to health care who is a rightful citizen and that insurance should be portable. We should not have to worry about pre-existing conditions when it comes to health insurance just so they can make more money off of us. That is just my two cents.
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• United States
11 Aug 09
Well, another person who has a problem with the new health care bill and does not even know it. You stated "who is a rightful citizen". I guess that you are meaning people who are "undocumented workers" or illegal aliens (whatever you want to call them) should not be eligible for the "public option". Well, the bill does not make this distinction. Eligible workers is defined as any one working in the US. So tax paying Americans will now be paying for people who are not even paying taxes.
@tdemex (3545)
• United States
11 Aug 09
Yo? They are already paying for people who don't have insurance and go to emergency rooms!
• United States
11 Aug 09
I agree that we are already paying for illegal aliens and people who don't have health insurance that go to emergency rooms (if you look at the statistics most of the uninsured are illegal aliens). Would it not make more sense for part of the solution to be to get rid of the illegal aliens (i.e. go after companies that employ them, take away the jobs and they will leave)? Or is it better to take away choice from legal, hard working Americans. If you do not believe me that choice is taken away see my earlier posting.
@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
10 Aug 09
It has become such a cluster bust it's getting hard to tell. I have no doubt that there are political organizations on both sides using "rent-a-mobs", it certainly isn't a new practice. But what exactly constitutes an organized planted protest? Does this apply to ANY group? What if a group of concerned citizens, say 7 or 8 or even 20 like minded people, all get together at a protest at one of these meetings. Does the fact that they have asigned a name to their group void their status as a grass roots organization? Even if that name contains the name of a prticualr party? I think people are going way too far in trying to diminish the signifigance of grass roots and individual citizens with concerns. And I think some are going equally too far in hiring these mobs, either for or against the healthcare plan. It diminishes the relevence and signifigance of genuine concerns. It also shuts out meaningfull conversation, something that has been lacking obscenely.
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@spalladino (17921)
• United States
10 Aug 09
"It diminishes the relevence and signifigance of genuine concerns. It also shuts out meaningfull conversation, something that has been lacking obscenely." This is exactly what I've been saying and I keep getting beat up on for it. The protesters aren't the only ones with rights...the people who go to these meetings with the goal of being informed or asking questions are having their rights violated by loud mobs. There will be no discussion during the summer break. That decision has been made and forced upon everyone else.
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@ParaTed2k (22979)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
10 Aug 09
It's simply, The Central Committee is pissed that they had to actually acknowledge the will of the people in this issue. They just wanted a quick vote on a bill they refused to read. I guess We the People are just supposed to lay back and take it. Notice they never had any plan to allow any input from anyone but Democrats from the beginning of the process.
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• United States
11 Aug 09
You are totally right. There is no regard for what the majority of Americans want. Our current administration and the majority of Congress believe that they know better than the American people. They believe that their will should be followed without question.
@tdemex (3545)
• United States
10 Aug 09
Your going to open a can of worms with this one! The haters will go to any length to destroy Obama and will stop at nothing, it's their agenda! They will water down the bill pass it and then blame him for the failure! Simple! tdemex
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@epicure35 (2822)
• United States
10 Aug 09
I believe health care protestation is caused by a corrupt government wishing only to rule its constituency rather than serve it. Most Americans are fed up with the kind of Unconstitutional actions taken by a government that simply wants to ram things down our throats with little concern for anyone other than their own power mongering and greedy gain, as they pander to special interests. A key factor in the protest is that Congress and, of course, all of the "administration" will not enact this deceitful legislation for THEMSELVES, but only for the peons they wish to subjugate and denigrate, deciding just who will live or die. After 6 months of hell, watching a takeover of our government, removal of our freedoms and protections, and a Congress who simply won't read the bills it passes and ignores the will of the people it is sworn to serve and protect, Americans have had enough of their voices not being heard and their needs undermined. A last bastion of freedom is the very right to life - that deciding our own healthcare needs must be determined by us and our doctor is critical and not to be determined by our traitor-dictator-in-chief, his henchmen, corrupt politicians like Nazi Pelosi (a traitor to America), and any bureaucrat anywhere. HealthCARE is what this is about and it's personal and not subject to those who CARE not a whit for the suffering of others, among whom are to them nameless, faceless "numbers". It is the desire of this government to remove all freedom of choice from Americans. That is why they employ goons and thugs like them to beat up those who exercise their Constitutional right to free speech and dissent, something this Nazi government will not allow. They have already taken our country by deceit, and now they will take it by force. They deliberately encourage violence against those opposed to their evil machinations because they want to destroy every vestige of freedom, as well as our economy, so they can continue to rule us in tyranny. Both Obama and Pelosi should be jailed for treason, as well as many other Constitutional violations, including fomenting violence and racism in order to tear our sovereign nation apart and impose their NWO upon us. O and P are also responsible for this man's beating and they should be jailed for this alone; they are truly Nazis.
@phildozer (284)
• United States
10 Aug 09
Its becoming much more than it should be. earlier on, there were accusations that some big money interest groups were shuttling anti health care protesters to other districts in order to yell at the democratic congressmen and make those protestors seem like they were the unhappy majority. This is probably people answering back, making sure that those people shuttled from other districts dont get a chance to disrupt the meetings.
@ParaTed2k (22979)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
12 Aug 09
That's been the accusation, but so far no proof has been offered. On the other hand, it is well known that lefty organizations have their paid "protestor" goons bussed in.
@debrakcarey (19921)
• United States
1 Sep 09
People are finally waking up to the fact that the govenment is abusing their power and grabbing for more. It is not a racist thing...blacks are mad too. It is not a republican thing...democrats are up in arms too. It is an American thing...we were all told that we had the right to speak our minds and expect the government to LISTEN. There are those who say we are denying them the right to healthcare...I guess we'd rather have the right to decide our own fates, retain our rights under the Constitution than have the government decide for us or grab more of our rights away from us...take a look at Holland's healthcare...we keep focusing on Canada and the UK...but no one says a word about HOLLAND. They DO actively kill people there. Old people are afraid of the doctors! Besides, I won't sell my birthright for a dish of beans! To bad there are those who would.
@andy77e (5161)
• United States
12 Aug 09
Because ultimately health care is about socialism. Just like Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Hugo Chavez, Mao, Mugabe, and all the socialist leaders past and present, violence is legitimate way to support socialism. It always has been, and it always will be. To be against socialism is somehow to be against the common good, and therefore, worthy of harsh and violent reactions. Which of course is how all the horrors of the past were committed... for the common good, we'll slaughter the Jews, or fill the Gulags, or have a random population reduction by firing squads. The left as a ton of arrogance, and zero soul.
• United States
11 Aug 09
The people in office right now are genius at using just the right words to incite strong emotions. Nancy's "Nazis" is a prime example of putting down people with a strong word for speaking their minds. See she doesn't like our constitution very much because it give us the people the right to end her reign. She puts a whole lot out there that is plain selfish greed and I cannot wait for her to be booted out. As for the violence I find it amazing that the people guarding against the protesters have become violent and yet our President plainly calls the protesters the violent ones. Now mob mentality as it is can get out of control, we all know that, but this man and his cronies are very scared of the people and are obviously willing to forcefully try to get their way. See they have this shield that makes them feel safe. If Obama messes up real bad anyone who calls for impeachment will be branded a racist. It has made them very ballsy.