NO REFORM AT ALL Is Goal of Tea Party Organizers!!

@anniepa (27280)
United States
August 12, 2009 12:05pm CST
"On a private conference call, a group of top Tea Party and conservative organizers offered a surprisingly frank description of their goal, according to a source on the call: Completely blocking any kind of bipartisan compromise, and completely preventing any type of health care reform bill at all from ever becoming law." http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/president-obama/on-private-conference-call-tea-party-organizers-say-no-reform-at-all-is-goal/ This is the AFL-CIO's version of what happened on this conference call. You can certainly decide for yourself whether to accept their word or not. Here's another link you may want to check out: http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/seius-notes-on-a-tea-party-strategy-conference-call/ From the above article, here are some quotes attributed to the organizers: • “We have an opportunity to realistically kill Obama’s agenda.” • “Let’s try to keep our protests peaceful. We’re not like the union thugs.” • “There’s a lot of coverage for poor people out there already that the Democrats don’t want you to know about. It’s just not on the radar screen.” • “The purpose of Tea Parties is not to find a solution to the health care crisis—it is to stop what is not the solution: Obamacare.” • When asked if we should get rid of Medicare because it is government health care: “Who is this asking?! I don’t have to answer that.” I know I'll be getting trounced on for using an unreliable source but I saw these same things reported on the news. Anyway, whether or not you believe this stuff isn't really relevant. What I'd like to discuss is: What do YOU think the GOP really wants to do regarding health care/health insurance reform? Do they have or will they come up with their own "better" ideas to get more people covered and bring costs down for all? If so, WHY didn't they do it when they had the majority and could have passed anything they wanted to? What do YOU want them to do? Do YOU think our health care system needs fixing or are you totally satisfied with the status quo? If your answer to the latter is "Yes", are you at all worried you will one day lose your insurance or discover your coverage isn't enough if you have a catastrophic illness or injury? Annie
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8 responses
• United States
12 Aug 09
Ok here is my take on it. Yep there are conservative groups and hard core members of the GOP that are only out to hurt Obama and the Dems any way they can. THe other side is the same way. The whole us vs them thing yet again. As for the Tea Party people. I have had a lot of dealings with them in my area. For the most part they are all about "fiscal responsiblity and a small unintrusive government". SO yes some of Obama's goal are going to clash with theirs. And they are going to keep protesting. But to tell you the truth....Congress is in more hot water with the Tea Party people than Obama is. As they should be. Any decent anymore is being labeled "a right wing conspiracy" so it makes it look like all the groups that way. I know my group is as mad at the dems as they are at the GOP. But yet we get called "extremist, or right wing crazies". WHy? Because we disagree with how our government operates. But any way. Yes I think that healthcare needs an over haul. But I don't trust the gov. to have control of it. So how htey are going to come up with the money to do it. After all the bail outs, BS projects and lobbyist voting I personally don't want to give congress anymore power or money than I absolutely have to. Yes I have insurance. Yes I am very happy with my insurance. I have heard of people being dropped for having medicials issues. But to stop that all congress needs to do is pass a law outlawing them from doing that. Get rid of pre-existing conditions and the ability to drop people. That would solve a lot of problems right there. I know it needs more work than that. But from what I have read on the bill ( I know it will get changed some in congress when the debates come up) I am not happy with this plan and question the sanity and qualifications of whoever wrote it.
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@anniepa (27280)
• United States
13 Aug 09
"But to stop that all congress needs to do is pass a law outlawing them from doing that. Get rid of pre-existing conditions and the ability to drop people." Don't you think if it were that simple it would have been done already? I have a feeling too many in Congress are too beholden to the insurance companies to do that, for one thing, and I fear that if they did it it would result in higher premiums instead of lower because they'd feel there would be more claims they'd have to pay out. What is it you disagree with in the plans that are being bandied about, Lil? Do you really believe they're going to "kill old people" or pay for abortions? The latter is already against the law under the Hyde Amendment. Annie
@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
14 Aug 09
"Don't you think if it were that simple it would have been done already?" Nope....because...... "I have a feeling too many in Congress are too beholden to the insurance companies to do that" you answered your own question and furthered a point I was making.
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• United States
18 Aug 09
Well yes it would be that simple if it wasn't for lobbyist and special interest groups. They don't want the law passes because it would hurt their companies profits so they spend big buck on our elected officals to keep them in their pockets. As for waht I have against the plan. 1. No one has ANY idea how they are going to pay for it. A trillion dollars and the president has even said he does not know how he is going to pay for it. Well if you dont' have the money and you don't know how you are going to come up with it....then how in the world is it going to work? That is all we need...a poorly funded healthcare public plan. (scarcasm alert) They obviously have not thought this threw properly. Money should have been one of their first things to work on. It does not matter how "great" the plan is if you can't find the money to pay for it. ANd they better not want to be taking it out of my pocket. I already have health insurance. So I don't need to pay higher taxes to pay for a gov. one. I could go on and on....I don't trust them. That is the end point. I don't trust these corrupt cut throats to make an honest deal out of it. There is too many lobbyist and special interest groups involved... then you add in congressional behavior...why should I trust them? I want the gov. involved in my life as little as possible. They usually just mess up what htey do anyway. SO that way it minimizes the damage they can do. The scariest words I know: " I am from the government and I am here to help"
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@suspenseful (40314)
• Canada
12 Aug 09
I am all for a health care system where for non emergencies, the user unless it is proven that he is indigent, has to pay a nominal fee. We had something like that in British Columbia, Canada when I was young (back when dinosaurs roamed the Earth) and unlike we have now in Canada, if it was not an emergency, you had to pay a fee. So for the annual visit to the doctor, it was $10. As for the proposed health care system, I do not think that persuading elderly to justify their existence, or getting them to take pain pills rather then hip replacements, mris, etc. or whatever or encouraging euthenasia is the way to go. So I am for a partially paid system. And if someone goes into emergency, and they have to pay a fee, if it is a true emergency, they get a refund. But the trouble is that Obama wants his own system and that is all. Getting rid of Medicare to pay for Obamacare and putting the elderly at risk is not the solution.
@Rollo1 (16650)
• Boston, Massachusetts
13 Aug 09
" But the trouble is that Obama wants his own system and that is all. " Exactly.
@anniepa (27280)
• United States
14 Aug 09
"As for the proposed health care system, I do not think that persuading elderly to justify their existence, or getting them to take pain pills rather then hip replacements, mris, etc. or whatever or encouraging euthenasia is the way to go." I agree, a system like that certainly is NOT the way to go but it's also certainly NOT the "proposed health care system". Actually, as of this evening the part about end of life counseling being covered by insurance is out of the House bill. "But the trouble is that Obama wants his own system and that is all. Getting rid of Medicare to pay for Obamacare and putting the elderly at risk is not the solution. Obama doesn't have his own system, which may be part of the problem. I think because of the way things turned out in 1993 with Hillary's ill-fated attempt to reform health care the President decided not to propose his own plan but to instead tell Congress to write their own bills. Of course when you have a bunch of committees, some from the House and some from the Senate, you're going to have some conflict. I also agree with you about everyone who CAN pay SHOULD pay a reasonable co-payment. But is MUST be reasonable and flexible. If someone has a minimum wage job and doesn't get paid for sick days that shouldn't prevent them from going to a doctor if they get sick as opposed to the ER if they can't spare $10, $25 or whatever the amount may be. If someone is given some time to pay a small balance like that they're a lot more likely to pay it than if they go to the ER and have a bill for hundreds or even thousands of dollars they KNOW they can't pay. Annie
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
12 Aug 09
Annie, First of all, most conservatives are not like they are portrayed by the liberal left just as most moderates are not like what is portrayed by the ultra-right wingers. That being said I have to strongly disagree with the president and the democratic controlled congress on their rendition of "healthcare overhaul". Healthcare in America is the absolute best in the world! If you don't believe this you need to look at the thousands who sacrifice their belongings each year to come to America for treatment. Is our healthcare and insurance system flawed? Of course, but there are flaws in all systems as large as this one just as there will be with what Obama and congress propose. The flaws don't in any way merit a total rape of our system and turning it into a welfare type system, we all know how well that worked. There are just two many things in this bill that are questionable at best and downright unacceptable at worst! My questions are: 1) Since we have been living under this system for decades, what is the all fired hurry to push this on the population given the number of people that are against it? 2) How in the ever lovin' he11 are we going to pay for this money pit? 3) Where do we as Americans turn when the same assnine problems like rationed medicine, doctor shortages and waiting lists happen here as they do in all socialized healthcare systems? Prople from these countries today can turn to the USA for their health needs but if this bill is passed and implemented there will be absolutely nowhere to go!
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@anniepa (27280)
• United States
13 Aug 09
Health care in America is FAR from the "absolute best in the world". We rank in the thirties on just about every count. It's not about our quality of care or our state of the art equipment and technology. What good does any of that do for someone who can't afford access to it? Annie
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
14 Aug 09
Annie, Rated according to whom? With more and more people from "socialistic" medicine countries coming to the US for medical treatment no matter what the cost I can't put much stock in what someone else says about our healthcare. What I would like to know is why you, as with Obama and congress, refuse to answer the questions I and MOST Americans are asking? Why the all fired hurry? How do we pay for this? And when our medical system goes down the tubes, where do we turn? I guess I'll answer them for you since you wouldn't when given the chance. 1) The president and congress are in such an all fired hurry because the more scrutiny this bill gets the less popular it is and more and more people jump on the "against" bandwagon everyday! 2)It will be paid for on the backs of the middle class, period! There is an old addage that says, "it takes money to make money" and that is so true. Taxing large corporations and the rich will not work for paying for this bottomless money pit and even if the president and congress succeed in financing this slap in freedom's face with taxes on the rich and corpoprations, the end result will be a much higher cost of living for everyone and the majority of those who will suffer will be middle class. Rich people always have enough money to make more, middle and lower class do not therefore they can absorb the cost of living increase and all that happens is more people become poor. The last one is unanswerable for anyone because there will be nowhere to turn, period! Why are we listening to a man who believes you turn a struggling economy around by spending more money? Have you ever been in financial trouble? Dumb question, right? sure everyone has! Did you spend more money to get out of it? did you borrow money to spend to get out of it? No, when you get in trouble financially you tighten the purse strings and spend only when you have to. To date, America has gotten a stimulis package that has stimulated absolutely nothing. We have had our hard earned tax dollars be spent to bail out self-serving financial institutions, mortgage companies and automobile companies and these corporations will continue to practice business the same way they always have until the bubble bursts again! Do we bail them out again? I guess the answer to that would be yes if you look at history. This was Chrysler's second time!
@connierebel (1568)
• United States
12 Aug 09
First of all, even though a lot of Republicans are involved with the Tea Parties, it is not officially endorsed by them. Second, just because the Tea Party people are concentrating on defeating Obama's plans, it doesn't mean that they don't want healthcare reform. As for the Republicans having better ideas, they don't as evidenced by the fact that they did not do anything when the did have the majority. Both the Democrats and the Republicans have their own personal agenda which is filling their pockets at the expense of the ordinary people. Yes, I do believe that healthcare needs to be reformed, but not the way Obama wants to, by having the government take over. What the government needs to do is put limits to the greed of the insurance companies, and stop malpractice lawsuits that just push the prices of healthcare out of reach. Also, they need to stop accepting bribes from the insurance and pharmaceutical lobbyists.
@anniepa (27280)
• United States
14 Aug 09
"What the government needs to do is put limits to the greed of the insurance companies, and stop malpractice lawsuits that just push the prices of healthcare out of reach. Also, they need to stop accepting bribes from the insurance and pharmaceutical lobbyists." I agree with all that 100%. Actually, I don't think all malpractice lawsuits should be stopped because patients need some kind of protection from negligent health care providers. What I think we need more is a cap on how much the insurance companies can charge good doctors for malpractice insurance. I'm not really all that concerned about keeping or protecting bad doctors. I sometimes get to feeling like a broken record here but Obama does NOT want the government to take over health care. I'm afraid there isn't even going to be a public option which, in my opinion, is very bad news. Annie
@Rollo1 (16650)
• Boston, Massachusetts
12 Aug 09
I believe that most people are in favor of there being health care available to people regardless of their age, income or employment status. If they introduced a bill that would provide insurance for those uninsured, I wouldn't oppose it strenuously even though it would cost money and even though the government is the worst administrative entity on earth. But that's not what this bill is. In fact, Senator D()ck Durbin has said that he would vote for a health care reform bill that contained NO public option, if that's what it takes to get it passed. What? Universal health care without actually providing care for the uninsured? To me that just proves that their goals in this venture are not as lofty or pure as those good people who support it. Even people who might be inclined to support this type of reform feel rushed, they feel overlooked, shoved aside. Those with questions or concerns feel that they don't have time to get the answers. It all must be done right away! Anytime someone doesn't want you to have the time to examine something closely, there's something they don't want you to see. The American people sense this. And let's be clear, it's not just the GOP that doesn't want this reform. There are a lot of Democrats who are not just going along. The American people don't want this reform. What's to be done? Tort reform is important. Doctors are so afraid of malpractice suits that they order more tests than they feel is necessary to avoid the possibility of being sued. So many things that could reasonably be handled by your GP lead instead to your referral to a specialist and more tests. This country with about 1/6 the world's population has 2/3 of the world's lawyers. Let the states each devise their own public option as a few have done. Keep it local and you keep administrative costs down. But be aware that no person under a public option will get superior care to that they would receive under a private plan. The unions may well be completely satisfied, they aren't affected. If you've ever had union insurance you know they have a sweet deal. They won't be required to give up anything, so they can easily support this reform without worry. I want Obamacare stopped too. I don't think I need to apologize for that. I think it's dangerous and will not achieve the goals that most people want it to achieve but instead will give rise to an unprecedented amount of control over the lives of private citizens. Down to my very marrow I oppose this health care reform. I have already lost my insurance for various reasons and I do have a serious medical condition. I don't want health insurance enough to support what I think is a seriously flawed and dangerous plan.
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@debrakcarey (19923)
• United States
13 Aug 09
I am one who would love to be able to afford health insurance. It's offered where I work, but the premiums would keep me from being able to buy groceries and gas. Then the deductible is so high I could never meet it unless of a catstrophe...then I would loose my job and not have the insurance anyway. I don't want the government telling me how to die, or my kids when and if they can have kids. I have dealt with government programs...as a single mother I have dealt with medicaid. I see how medicare works every day at work. Government does not belong in the healthcare business. I DO THINK it is a lack of trust. And I do think we are sick of government grabs for more power over our lives than we already have. The last straw is the enormous debt it would put us in...we already are owned by China...good grief. Should we all just learn mandarin? They own US already. Control the things that make healthcare so expensive would be nice. HOlding back state regulations and rethinking some of them that make things harder to get things done...in nursing homes. Costing the homes so much money they have to charge more to the residents and their insurances. Things like that could go along way to fixing the out of reach healthcare. Of course, preventative and alternative medicine should be made available instead of trying to control even that. They are cheaper and they are more user friendly. Control the lawyers and the greed they incite. If anything needs reforming it's that whole dirty system. Why didn't the Republicans deal with all this when they had the majority. Who knows...perhaps they knew it was next to impossible to convince the American people to hand over their right to real CHOICE...to the government.
@anniepa (27280)
• United States
13 Aug 09
You certainly don't need to apologize for how you think or feel about this or any issue. I do have to question why you call it "Obamacare" when the President hasn't had much input and he certainly hasn't written any of the bills being considered. I wish he would have and then he could go speak with the people and answer their questions in detail. One thing I have heard discussed about the plans being considered is making the primary care physicians more in charge of patients care and not having so many unnecessary tests done or specialists getting involved when they don't need to be. I personally hope they don't pass something without a public option because I don't see how it can work without on. If anyone thinks the insurance companies are going to stop treating people like merchandise and without a public option to keep them honest they're sadly mistaken, in my opinion. If you don't mind me asking, Rollo, you say you have no health insurance. Does it scare you that if you were to have a serious illness you could lose everything or worse, you could end up not getting the treatment you needed? Annie
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@Rollo1 (16650)
• Boston, Massachusetts
13 Aug 09
If I were scared of my illness more than the future of my country, I might decide to go along with this health insurance reform and take what I could get for now. After all, why worry about what happens to anyone else? But I worry more about the world my children will live in and specifically, the kind of government they will live under. Who would put their health before the future of their children? I am just goopy enough that amidst the noise and festivities of a 4th of July celebration, the singing of the National Anthem still brings a flood of emotion. I truly love the foundations of liberty my country has been built upon, and I know that no other political system on earth provides the freedom and right to self-determine that I want my children to enjoy. I call it Obamacare because Obama has made this his own personal crusade since the campaign. He has held six town hall meetings himself about it. I agree he doesn't address what is in the plan. I don't know if it is because he truly doesn't know or because he truly doesn't want to say. What used to be called health care reform is now being called health insurance reform by the president himself. If the goal was truly to give health care to the poor and the uninsured and heck, even the illegal aliens because we are basically a moral and caring society, then no one would be willing to send a bill forward with no option to provide that. The truth is that they want to punish, discipline (a word used by Obama), regulate and control the health insurance companies. This is not the business of government whatsoever.
@ZephyrSun (7382)
• United States
13 Aug 09
"What do YOU think the GOP really wants to do regarding health care/health insurance reform? " Nothing. Why would they want their lobbiests to be mad at them? As a person with the crappiest insurance in the world besides having no insurance I would like to be able to take my children to the doctors without worrying about how I am going to pay the bill when it comes the following month. I had to change doctors for my children because the office told me it was a federal law that any child taking ADD medication must see the doctor every 3 months. At $250 a pop all out of pocket, it was way too much for me to pay. So I found a new doctor and the office told me they never heard of that law and since I had such a large deductible they would give me the cheapest rate they could. Needless to say the status quo has to go. Medical care has not just become expensive, it's been expensive for a very long time and the Republicans had control of the White House and Congress for a number of years and did NOTHING to make health care cheaper so do you honestly believe that they have some idea about fixing the health care system??? LMAO that's a big Hell No! I don't worry about losing my "health insurance" because I basically don't have any. We pay over $400 out of pocket a month in health care costs and that doesn't include when someone is actually sick so we never hit our $10,000 deductiable.
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@ZephyrSun (7382)
• United States
13 Aug 09
Oh yeah I forgot, someone said something about where in the Constitution does it say the government must provide health care, well where does it say the government does? And, we could go on, where does it say that they have to a lot of things they do, provide roads and funding for states that don't want to have a state income tax?
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@anniepa (27280)
• United States
14 Aug 09
That's for sure, they're more worried about the insurance companies than they are about their constituents. Nobody should have to pay that much out-of-pocket every month and many simply couldn't possibly do it! Annie
@piasabird (1737)
• United States
12 Aug 09
Well, I have health insurance and with the new co-pays for prescriptions it's cheaper for me to buy my meds off the internet from India. I think for one thing we need tort reform but I don't see that in the bill. In fact, what reforms are actually in the bill? Another thing that I'm against is free health care for illegals, which they manage to get anyway. I'm actually not completely against a healthcare bill. I just don't want it shoved down our throats and rushed through. I don't want them screwing it up. And I'm having major issues with trust in our government at this point. Part of this is because I don't see Obama as being completely truthful or honest.
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@anniepa (27280)
• United States
13 Aug 09
I'm on the fence about whether they should be in such a hurry or not, to be honest. I don't want them to just pass ANYTHING for the sake of saying they have a health care reform bill but it's something that's been talked about and promised for decades and nothing ever gets done and things keep getting worse. I've heard that there is no "free health care" for illegals. Actually they're getting free health care NOW when they go to the ER's along with millions of legal Americans with little or no health insurance. I agree that tort reform is needed but it has to be fair and benefit everyone. Someone who is legitimately harmed by a health care provider should definitely be compensated and just putting a cap at around $250,000 isn't the answer. I think the main problem in this area is the insurance companies being able to charge outrageous premiums to doctors with perfect records who have never been sued. Annie
@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
2 Sep 09
Just Say No to Marxist schemes! It's hilarious to watch all the people who LIED for years about being against government control of our bodies. Now that it comes down to it, the only thing you seem to want the government to stay out of is a woman's right to kill. What is it, do you want government deciding what doctors can and can't do for you or not? Hypocritical, killers. That is all the "pro choice" lie is about.