biofuels fuel poverty

@jb78000 (15139)
August 17, 2009 6:02am CST
it's either idiocy in the interests of reducing climate change or attempts to find low cost oil alternatives in the interest of economics. but developed countries demands for biofuels is causing poverty, abuse of human rights, environmental destruction and ridiculously adding to the risk of climate change according to christian aid. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/aug/17/biofuels biofuels can have a role to play along with other renewables if done sensibly but i think this is awful. your views?
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@N4life (851)
• United States
17 Aug 09
Biofuels do have a place if done sensibly. The key is the use of woody, non-food source plants such as switchgrass and the growth of cellulosic tecnologies. Cellulosic fuel making techniques make it possible to use the entire plant. Cellulosic ethanol from algae advances will likely make it possible to make enormous amounts of fuel in very small spaces. Woody species can also be grown in buffer zones and marginal areas as to not take the place of food producing land. Both of these alternatives are much gentler on the environment, though I think the future is really in algae. There are many downfalls such as described in your link,to using food sources as biofuel.
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
17 Aug 09
Like I said, hemp.
@N4life (851)
• United States
17 Aug 09
I am all for local control of resources and energy anywhere. Land decisions are often best left to locals both in terms of economically and environmentally. In heavily populated areas a low land use alternative such as algae is particularly important.
@jb78000 (15139)
17 Aug 09
i'd go along with that. i also think christian aid were on the right lines with suggesting growing them for local use. pressurising poorer countries to grow them for you always runs the risk of them replacing food crops.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
17 Aug 09
Biofuels can have a place in our energy needs, but only if we use them appropriately and wisely. It makes no sense at all to replace our dependence on foreign oil with a dependence on foreign grown sources of biofuels. It makes no sense at all to replace the pollution of fossile fuels with pollution from producing biofuels. It makes no sense at all to use food crops for biofuel. It makes no sense at all to mandate biofuel, or mixtures of bio/fossile fuels if the gas mileage is significantly reduced. That being said, it makes a lot of sense to replace fossile fuels with renewable resources, as long as they can keep up with demand. It makes a lot of sense to replace our dependence on foreign sources with domestic sources. It makes a lot of sense to switch to a source that is less polluting. It makes a lot of sense to use non food sources for biofuels (especially if it uses sources that have traditionally gone unused for anything). It makes a lot of sense to put biofuels on the market, and let the consumers choose.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
17 Aug 09
so far though, we haven't found a way to mix them that doesn't reduce gas mileage to the point of destroying any benefits. You mean the government isn't competent enough to run it?
@jb78000 (15139)
17 Aug 09
all fair enough. renewables can replace fossil fuels and need to but you need a mix. however putting people who apparently don't have more than two brain cells between the lot of them in charge of implementing them is possibly not the way to go about things.
@jb78000 (15139)
17 Aug 09
by a mix of renewables i meant different sources of energy - e.g. wind farms, solar panels, etc. governments rarely seem that competent at anything - but in the case of the scottish windfarm placement i was referring to all those involved in deciding the technicalities. more windfarms - good idea. putting them in stupid places - not so good. this example looks like a mixture of stupidity, taking an easy option and no doubt economic pressures. awful consequences. by the way do you think that i blindly go along with any government or political party? i don't trust any further than i could throw them.
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
17 Aug 09
I wrote about the dangers of biofuels a year or so ago. At the time, the price of corn was severely impacting the poor in Mexico, since corn is such a large part of their diet. It is never a good idea to encourage growth of crops for fuel instead of food, and as someone pointed out, biofuels didn't turn out to be cheaper and many studies show they aren't more environmentally friendly either. The time for alternative energy sources is upon us, and they will become better, cheaper and more efficient as the need grows. Technology keeps apace with what is needed, and alternative energy will be no different. We have to be careful not to blindly go down just any road that is an alternative, but clearly understand the ends of the paths we take.
@jb78000 (15139)
17 Aug 09
the use of renewables needs to be greatly stepped up by most countries. you are suggesting that it will happen anyway - it won't (that quickly) until the oil runs out. governments here have some responsibility, but acting stupidly is counter-productive. (personally i don't trust governments but i trust multinationals even less.) my earlier example of this kind of thing was windfarms. the uk needs more windfarms, but not on peatbogs.
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
17 Aug 09
I doubt this is any difference from the growing of coca leaves. The guy in charge has the whip. I say grow hemp. It's more economical. Climate change. There is absolutely nothing anyone anywhere can do to change the fact the climate will change and always has.
@jb78000 (15139)
17 Aug 09
fair enough. don't want to really get into the climate change thing yet again. so will stick with - there's a difference between gradual climate change and what is happening at the moment. feel free to dismiss it as nonsense. what do climatologists know about anything anyway?
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
17 Aug 09
The religious crowd claims it means the end of days. I say we just "Weather the weather, whatever the weather, whether we like it or not."
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
17 Aug 09
Well I have several biofuel facilities close to my city and when the price of oil was so high the increase in biofuel drove the price of corn up so high that everything made with corn was so expensive. I also know that the facilities by my city get $1.00 per gallon sold from the US government, so when petro based fuel was selling for $4.50 a gallon biofuels were selling for $4.25 a gallon and that didn't include the $1.00 a gallon they were getting from the US government. Since, the price of fuel has fallen the biofuel is not selling as fast, which has lowered corn prices. It's been nice being able to afford corn products again LOL
@jb78000 (15139)
17 Aug 09
you've got your priorities sorted zephyr
@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
17 Aug 09
Well now, that was interesting. It seems some of us have a way of messing up nearly every potentially good thing discovered. I have no idea why the US would be pouring money in to foreign production of maize, etc., while at the same time the govt. pays farmers here to leave a certain percentage of their own good farm land idle. Sheesh! That makes no sense! We have enough farm land and excess food each year that is just trashed to feed the whole world, literally. Again, I just do not get this kind of crap. Karen
• United States
17 Aug 09
The core of any given matter seems to focus on the greed of the rich who never seem to have enough, but who just want to keep getting richer at the expense of the poor. Crummy!
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@jb78000 (15139)
17 Aug 09
sometimes the reason seems to by economics (which is not an excuse for destruction and idiocy) and sometimes it seems to be either stupidity or fear of upsetting those with influence.
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