The Irony of Death Panels and Other Fear Tactics

@N4life (851)
United States
August 17, 2009 6:13am CST
The old phrase which President Bush once attempted to invoke "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" seems to be applying to the American people over and over again. The Obama health care bill has been all but torn apart through the use of subversive scare tactics that did nothing to further the real discussion about healthcare. How did it happen? Check out this in depth Newsweek article and give it some legitimate thought http://www.newsweek.com/id/212131/page/1 This is ironic considering all of the talk about how anyone who supports Obama is a sheep following the herd. The fact is there are many Obama voters who normally did not take part in elections and stay out of these cyles of fear created by our government and media precisely because they understand these tactics. How can we stop this cycle of fear? I am beginning to think the massive knee jerk, mass reactions created by our "leaders" and media are unavoidable.
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• United States
17 Aug 09
It's kind of annoying really. I'm rather tired of coming here every day and reading forwarded emails sent by another internet whack job about this supposed 'health care reform' that will somehow do something that will hurt the dominate people in America. It's annoying. I can't tell you how many times I've read that AARP does NOT support Obama and his health care reform, but just yesterday, I saw a commerical on TV from AARP themselves telling people not to believe the hype and propaganda and support Obama and the health care bill because it will help all people, but oh no!! AARP NEVER SUPPORTED IT AND NEVER WILL!!! Wisen up people. Stop believing what your stupid neighbor said, never read biased websites that aren't from TRUSTED SOURCES. They're lying, manipulating the facts to make you buy into it and listen to them. It's the whole, I only hear what I want to hear syndrome. It makes me ill that so many stupid people are out there running around and are able to live with themselves and the lies they tell.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
19 Aug 09
HooAH!!!
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
17 Aug 09
You deserve the best response. You summed everything up perfectly.
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@jb78000 (15139)
19 Aug 09
take back something i said in my last comment to you ted.
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
17 Aug 09
I think that if people took the time to inform themselves rather than rely on the media, political fatmouths, or Congress to inform them than they would have a better understanding. Until we as a nation can take time from our lives and better ourselves than we will continue to live in this "fear and rumors" nation. I mean seriously take a look at the propaganda that is spewed on mylot. I see the words of political fatmouths all over the board. Do we not have the ability to think for ourselves or are we just so blind and ignorant that we will only listen and never question and never learn?
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
17 Aug 09
Honestly Zephyr, I think this health care episode has been the single best example of people taking the time to inform themselves just as you described. If you watch the town hall meetings, you'll see many of the people attending quoting EXACT passages from the bill. Many of them know the legislation better than their own congressman. When that guy from New Hampshire was on with Chris Matthews he also proved to have superior knowledge as Matthews made a pathetic attempt to expose the man as ignorant and came out with himself looking the fool. I really think that people are openingn their eyes now. They may get ideas from fatmouths and what not, but they are reading the bill instead of blindly following and that's what we need here.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
17 Aug 09
It's not like the health bill really matters anymore does it? How many times have you sat behind your computer and read discussions here at mylot that have absolutly no thought process behind the discussion? Mostly I personally see copy and paste of articles from wnd.com and fox hell I've even seen them from craigslist on here in the politics section. Tell me these people do not listen to the political fatmouths to find their discussions. Tell me these people have read the bill and know what it says. And, I know that I have told you that I don't watch Chris.
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@N4life (851)
• United States
17 Aug 09
Either way, some may have taken more time to look at the bill but the amoun of unreasonable conclusions came directly from the "fatmouths". Still a time-saving short cut to thinking.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
17 Aug 09
And yet, instead of explaining or defending the provisions, the supporters of Obamacare attacked the opposition, then dropped the provision completely. What happened was, both sides interpreted the (bad) wording of the provision. The supporters took the most positive interpretation and the opponents took the most negative. The problem is, we can't guess which interpretation would emerge as law if the bill gets passed. What is hilarious is, somehow the 53% vote that put Obama in the White House was somehow a "mandate", but the 54% that oppose this bill is somehow the "fringe". ROFL!!!!!!
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
17 Aug 09
Ted, you just said yourself that the interpretations of some of the different provisions could vary so I have ask what interpretations these 54% are going by when they say they oppose this bill? Also, which bill is "this bill"? Annie
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
17 Aug 09
That's the problem Annie. The wording of the bill itself is the problem. Neither side can honestly say that the other is completely wrong. Both interpretations could end up being what becomes law in practice. When I refer to the bill, I am talking about the House version. I know that there isn't a final bill yet, but if it wasn't for the opposition, it would have become law without any changes whatsoever.
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• United States
17 Aug 09
Ted I have a question for you then, you talk about how one interpets a bill because of the way it is written, would it not be true that every bill then would not pass since we are all capable of reading it differently. So please tell me how do we accomplish something that would not be misread or misinterpeted?
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
31 Aug 09
Since you say you have read HR3200, so you know what you're talking about, can you please answer the following questions for me. Being a supporter of it, it shouldn't be hard to answer them. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." With the myriad of new taxes under this "reform" bill.. . isn’t Obama breaking his tax pledge by supporting it? Why are there continuing education grants for people working for facilities represented by unions, but nothing for people who don't. Why do facilities have to get permission from the "Secretary" to add beds, departments, Operating or exam rooms? If this is supposed to be the "public OPTION" why are there taxes on people who choose not to participate? If this is "health" care reform, why is "medicine" the only health system that is available in it? Does that mean I would still have to carry private insurance if I choose anything other than medical? Will I be allowed to carry both the "Public Option" and a private carrier? EVERY state and territory already have them, so what does the federal government have to do with Do Not Resuscitate orders or Living Wills? If this plan is supposed to reduce the cost of medical care, why are their tax increases involved? Why does Obama continue to insist that this is "cost neutral" when every independent organization and the CBO have proven it isn't. If Obama's campaign promise was to provide the same coverage Congress enjoys, why didn't they just write a bill that does that? Why did Obama tell everyone who is against this bill to shut up? Doesn't he respect our freedom of speech? If this is supposed to make sure everyone has access to affordable healthcare, how come it exempts people and leaves others out completely? If abortion on demand won't be covered by the "public option" will people on the "public option" who want abortions have to have private insurance to cover them? Will that be allowed? Are they saying that people on the public option can't have abortions? If I am registered with the VA, can I also choose the "public option" if I don't want to go to VA clinics or hospitals? Why don't we simply identify the real problems with our health care system? Identify what really works well. Then come up with Actual Solutions to the problems we have identified... then work those solutions.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
18 Aug 09
If it wasn't in there, how did they take it out?
@jb78000 (15139)
17 Aug 09
it looks like ridiculously obvious manipulation (from both sides) from the outside. i suppose i can see how it can get people confused if you get hammered with it everyday.
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@N4life (851)
• United States
17 Aug 09
It does come from both sides, yet some seem to think their party or their viewpoint is somehow immune to this manipulation and allow themselves to get worked up to a point of panic about things before they stop and think. Six months or so down the road, we look back and they look pretty silly. I found that getting rid of cable helps. Getting news on the net at least rids me of the constant chatter that seeps into the brain.
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@jb78000 (15139)
17 Aug 09
can imagine
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