obama is evil

@jb78000 (15163)
August 25, 2009 4:10am CST
i'm starting to see if i can get banned here. anyway why all the comparisons about obama being evil, the antichrist, stalin etc? you have what looks like a centre president, possibly more liberal than the last one. and i'll admit annoying, but are you sure the guy is evil?
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@owlwings (41813)
• Cambridge, England
25 Aug 09
In some people's eyes, if you are not "right", you must be "wrong" (and therefore "evil"). One tends to see more of this attitude in forums because it is the severely right-wing belly-achers who feel they must be outspoken rather than the people who are satisfied and supportive. You will find the same kind of thing happens in religious discussions. It is only a certain kind of person who tends to post there. The 'moderates' tend to leave such discussions alone. You have to remember, too, that 'Communism' (aka Socialism) is rather less acceptable in the US than it is in the UK and Europe, even amongst liberals, and some people are much more afraid of terrorism and less accepting of Islam there than we are here. There are many, of course - the 'silent majority' - who don't feel the need to argue about a fait accompli.
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• United States
25 Aug 09
Owl, isn't it shocking that so many "conservatives" have such big, huge "liberal" mouths? The conservative Rush Limbaugh's mouth is anything BUT conservative, for instance.
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@piasabird (1737)
• United States
25 Aug 09
Peaceful Woman? Anyway, I have never been a big fan of Limbaugh's but after reading about how all the Liberals dislike, no, hate him I think that I must take another look at him. He must be saying something that they don't like and since I don't like them this suits me fine.
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@owlwings (41813)
• Cambridge, England
25 Aug 09
I know nothing about Rush Limbaugh. From what I have read, he started out by satirising Liberals but he may have moved on to satirising anything and everything, including Republicans. I tend to find that kind of humour quaint in the short term and depressing after a while.
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@ZephyrSun (7382)
• United States
25 Aug 09
"Evil" in the sense that Obama does not support the "right's" agenda. Isn't that so shocking that a Democrat doesn't support the right's agenda? lol
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@piasabird (1737)
• United States
25 Aug 09
Now that made me laugh. And like the Dems don't have an agenda? I believe they thought that Dubya was evil, too.
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@ZephyrSun (7382)
• United States
25 Aug 09
I'm positive that the Democrats have an agenda and I'm pretty positive that they also believed that Bush was evil but, the discussion was about Obama not Bush. I was only offering a reasonable explaination as to why I believe the right calls Obama evil. Plus, really if Obama can turn the country around it makes the "right" and their ideas look less right.
@piasabird (1737)
• United States
25 Aug 09
Well, let's hope that Obama can accomplish that ..... but I seriously doubt it. And if things keep up with the way they're going .... the Dems are going to take an a$$ whupping come the 2010 elections.
• United States
25 Aug 09
No I don't think that Obama is evil. I think anyone who does think he is "evil", maybe gets themselves too worked up over things and needs to take a chill pill before they have a heart attack. I know what it is like to dislike a president, I really didn't like Bush at all, but I never once thought he was "evil". There are a lot of other people that I don't like, but have never thought they were "evil" or the "anti-christ". I personally think that people who use those terms for Obama, or anything or anyone, is just exaggerating and trying to get a reaction out of people, most of the time the reaction they are looking for is FEAR.
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@Rollo1 (16650)
• Boston, Massachusetts
25 Aug 09
If he were centrist, then all the moderates in his own political party would not be abandoning him. They see him as very left of center, but more importantly, very left of their own views. It may not be possible for anyone who is not from the US to understand the deep and real concerns that Americans have about the preservation of the nation's Constitution and a government that abides by its tenets. In some small way, it could be likened to a Brit who was opposed to entering the EU. It's about national identity, it's about not allowing those things that we've always held to be what America stands for to succumb to some global concept that is an ill fit. It's about preserving what we consider to be valuable, good and right. That is a government that rules by the consent of the governed and not one that assumes responsibilities that we believe belong to the individual. It is not immoral to resist the nanny state, we are not wishing for people to be poor, hungry, homeless and without medical care. We simply do not believe that the federal government has a mandate or a right to legislate in certain social areas. States' rights, small and local government is where we wish to place that kind of jurisdiction. It's about how badly the federal government administrates everything it touches. Waste, inefficiency and nepotism tend to eat up most of the funds that are supposed to accomplish these humanitarian goals. A government that can demand more revenue at any time to fund whatever it likes is a dangerous thing, and a wasteful thing. I am a firm believer in the saying "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". Evenly distributing power amongst the citizens or through representation (that really represents, not does as it wants to) and through smaller, more localized branches of government avoids the problem of absolute power. We see this administration taking unto itself power that it is not granted by the constitution, and to us, this is evil and it is corrupt. I can only judge a man by his actions, words mean little if the actions are contrary. I would judge Obama's actions to be a threat to the form of government that I believe the framers of the Constitution intended. To assume the highest office in the land and use it wrongly and in defiance of the Constitution instead of representing it and administering government according to it, is evil in my opinion.
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@Hatley (164237)
• Garden Grove, California
25 Aug 09
hi we voted him in and now he is our p resident we should stand behind him not callnames. he is not evil and he is not the fat'slob multimillionare that the other candidate was. the thing is the republicans are mad cause we got him elected and they wont admit' that the majority wanted him in and voted for him.he is not'evil he is smart and is trying to undone the mess that ididot bush left 'so why blame Obama? it is so easy to pick on someone when things'are not going the way you would like them to but the mess was here before obama and he is going to eventually clean it up.
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@piasabird (1737)
• United States
25 Aug 09
Just looked at your profile and I seriously doubt that you're 83. All I can say is .... stay in school and study, hon. From what you've written here I can tell that you're definiately an Obama supporter. "he is not the fat's lob multimillionare that the other candidate was." That guy spent five years in a camp as a prisoner of the Viet Nam war. He has spent his life serving his country and the people in it. I think he deserves some respect.
• United States
26 Aug 09
Very well said, Hatley :)) I voted for him, too, and I am glad that I did. He, in my opinion, was the best person for the job...and oh my, what a mess he has inherited! Hope you have a lovely night!
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@Hatley (164237)
• Garden Grove, California
26 Aug 09
now just one damned moment.I am not aliar,Iam 83.I was'born in1926 but why am I explaining this to you, you lady or whatever with an'insulting sharp tongue.I finished my degree BA in English' back when I was 56. so you think I am a stupid college kid' that needs to go b ack to college.no I am a widow,Iam in a' retirement home,I have a lot on my plate and dont apprciate a person like you calling me a liar.you can damned well 'think what you like about my opinion but you willrespect it 'and me.I am furious with you,nobody should call me a liar You may be a kid y ourself for all I know but because I supported Obama is no reason to call me a liar. you do not'evenknow mean and from your comment I do not want to know you.You are'shArp tongued and you do not respect others opinions.you have a right to'your own opinion but do not ever again imply I lied about my'age.I hAVE A SON WHO IS FIFTY. I repeat I am an elderly woman who is really'Angry at your implications You owe me an apology.
@tdemex (3545)
• United States
25 Aug 09
Do you all drink the same water? tdemex
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@piasabird (1737)
• United States
25 Aug 09
Ha-ha! Don't you live in Mexico? I thought I read that in another post. How is the water in Mexico?
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@tdemex (3545)
• United States
25 Aug 09
Yes but I'm a gringo and my mailing address is Laredo TX. So I pick and chose! LOL! When I work I travel all over the good Ole USA! tdemex
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@sunny68 (1327)
• India
25 Aug 09
this is an interesting discussion. i also learned how to get banned, always good to have more knowledge, you never know when you might need it. LOL. as for Obama, i think there are still many people who find it difficult to digest the fact that obama IS the president.
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@Taskr36 (13923)
• United States
25 Aug 09
You can't get banned by stating an opinion. People usually get banned after profanity laced tirades against those who disagree with them, and even then, it often takes multiple tirades to do that. Now I can't see how anyone could call him a center president. He's actually the most extreme president we've had in almost 30 years. He's already shown that he doesn't value differing opinions in the least by ramming his agenda through congress without ANY republican support. He's gotten so bad that now he's actually fighting the moderates in his own party, accusing them of "empowering republicans" because they just aren't extreme enough to back him up. He's blatantly ignoring over 50% of the country that disagrees with the current health care bill despite the fact that he didn't write it, nor did he read it. Outside of that, no, I wouldn't call him evil. Arrogant, self-centered, close-minded, pompous, elitist, etc. There are many words to describe him, I just don't have anything to base the word evil on, yet.
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@irishidid (8716)
• United States
25 Aug 09
I keep telling people the antichrist wouldn't need a teleprompter. He's also too ignorant to be truly evil. Obama can't even do sly well.
@jb78000 (15163)
26 Aug 09
and have you seen any miracles? that aside why do you think he is ignorant? bush had all his speeches written for him and still came up with statements that made him look an idiot however i would not say that he was however much i disapprove of what he did.
@irishidid (8716)
• United States
26 Aug 09
That depends on what you consider a miracle. He's ignorant but not as ignorant as his followers who think the nation going bankrupt is a good thing. Spending your way out of debt never works.
@jb78000 (15163)
27 Aug 09
do you want to explain why you think this?
@PeacefulWmn9 (10424)
• United States
25 Aug 09
Nah, Obama is not evil. In fact, he is very intelligent, caring of the people, and doing an excellent job amidst astonishing odds. Those who perpetuate the "evil" kwap are doing their best to thwart a man they consider to be a rival, or too far left to suit them, or just plain a member of the opposite political party. And some, I am sure, are sincere in their beliefs, but sincerity has never guaranteed validity. So, lol, I doubt you'll get banned! But I'm betting you'll get "interesting" responses to this discussion. Karen
@piasabird (1737)
• United States
25 Aug 09
How do you know he's intelligent? Doing an excellent job? What do you define as excellent? I think that perhaps you have low standards.
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• United States
25 Aug 09
Hello again. I think President Obama's character and efforts speak for themselves, as do my personal standards...to those who know me. Have a great day.
@piasabird (1737)
• United States
25 Aug 09
So you have no real answer.
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@anniepa (27280)
• United States
25 Aug 09
You don't REALLY want to get banned! You may be leaning in the right direction if you want to, though, because you can say anything bad about Obama here that you want and get away unscathed but defending him can sometimes be dangerous...lol! I'd find it amusing if it weren't so serious but President Obama isn't even liberal! If someone who wants to try to cover everyone with health insurance is "evil" I guess I'd better check my definition of that word also. Annie
@Taskr36 (13923)
• United States
25 Aug 09
Obama isn't even liberal? Annie, have you been smoking something? He's the most liberal president since Carter. He supports wealth redistribution, punishing success, and rewarding failure. That's as liberal as it gets. What about him is NOT liberal? FYI, the healthcare thing is a ploy. It's just a government power grab. He knows we can never cover everyone because there are far too many in this country that just don't pull their own weight. Those are the ones he wants to reward.
@piasabird (1737)
• United States
25 Aug 09
Whatever she's been toking on it must be some good stuff! I thought that you made a comment on another post that this bill won't fund abortions. I found something about the health care bill funding abortions. It's at Factcheck.org and I know how the libs love that sight so it must be true. The truth is that bills now before Congress don’t require federal money to be used for supporting abortion coverage. So the president is right to that limited extent. But it’s equally true that House and Senate legislation would allow a new "public" insurance plan to cover abortions, despite language added to the House bill that technically forbids using public funds to pay for them. Obama has said in the past that "reproductive services" would be covered by his public plan, so it’s likely that any new federal insurance plan would cover abortion unless Congress expressly prohibits that. Low- and moderate-income persons who would choose the "public plan" would qualify for federal subsidies to purchase it. Private plans that cover abortion also could be purchased with the help of federal subsidies. Therefore, we judge that the president goes too far when he calls the statements that government would be funding abortions "fabrications." http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/abortion-which-side-is-fabricating/
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@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
25 Aug 09
I'd settle for a president that doesn't consider the US Constitution a "charter of negative rights".
@iriscot (1290)
• United States
25 Aug 09
Ted, I'm sure you've read the Constitution! We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, INSURE DOMESTIC TRANQUILITY, provide for the common defence, PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. The Constitution wasn't written for just the wealthy, the workers, or the poor and downtroden. It was written for all of the people. "Promote the General Welfare" of all of the people. This hasn't taken place over the last few years, it has been only the wealthy and rich who have been promoted and it's time that the working class gets a break. I believe that the Obama administration has a lot of concern about that point. Those who want to tear down and destroy the present administration have only one goal in mind and that is to regain the power that they abused the last eight years that they reigned.
@Taskr36 (13923)
• United States
25 Aug 09
You'll just keep spreading that lie about the "wealthy and rich" being promoted won't you Iriscot? You don't care that I've proven several times in several different threads that we now have fewer millionaires and billionaires because of the economy. They are getting poorer just like the rest of us and the inflation Obama is pushing will hurt them plenty. Frankly the framers of the constitution were completely against punishing success which is why income tax was originally banned by the constitution.
@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
25 Aug 09
Actually, it isn't addressed to any of We the People, rich, poor or whatever. The US Constitution is addressed FROM We the People TO the Federal Government. In other words, We the People hold all the power and authority. However, we acknowledge that "in order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity", we must relinquish some of that power and authority to our elected officials. That's why Obama considers it "a charter of negative rights". He hates the fact that it only gives him the authority to do what it spells out. He wants it to mean that the government can do what it wants. That is how NON Constitutional nations are run. Btw, it said "Promote the General Welfare". Nowhere does it say to promote the welfare of individuals. It says to provide for the Common Defense... not the defense of any individual. Any government that has the power and authority to promote individual welfare has the power and authority to destroy individuals.
@quita88 (3716)
• United States
27 Aug 09
And, just what PLANET are you from ???????????
@jb78000 (15163)
27 Aug 09
obviously not yours. bush wasn't the extreme right and if you think obama is the extreme left then your definitions are very different to the standard.
@quita88 (3716)
• United States
27 Aug 09
Yes, I am different, but I am right.
• Indonesia
25 Aug 09
No. He's great. It's just his style is too youthful, so people have bias on him. They can't blame him. What if i sang 'yes we can' and reversed into ' thank you satan' as you find in youtube about obama. I'm a churchgoer and praising God. Besides God said 'the doomsday will come like a thief', nobody knows that or who will be the beast in the Bible.
@jb78000 (15163)
26 Aug 09
i suspect it's basically because after having bush for so long this change has infuriated certain people. and from what i've seen of the states everyone goes in for exaggeration when stating their opinions.
• Indonesia
27 Aug 09
That's what you must do when you being a president, 'exaggerating speech.' But words can refer for how cultured someone too. You know in centuries ago, only people with nice words can be categorized as a nobleman.
@K46620 (1994)
• United States
28 Aug 09
Actually I do think he is evil, but not as evil as the Federal Reserve. Why do you want your account banned?
@jb78000 (15163)
30 Aug 09
sarcasm.
@quinnkl (1667)
• United States
27 Aug 09
Why do you want to get banned. Just quit if you don't like it. Those comparisons are just ridiculous, and would be toward any person they were directed at. I get sick of all rumors about anyone flying around as fact. NO he is NOT evil! Duh! Neither was that unintelligent, horrible President Bush before him. Bad president - YES! Evil, NO!!! And neither is Obama, and there is no factual reason to think so. Who are all these people who have all this time to start and spread these rumors based in fear? I mean, have we as intelligent human beings learned nothing, if not the fact that if you hear something that "someone heard from someone" that it is probably not true? I would hope so.
• United States
26 Aug 09
I don't think Obama is necessarily evil, just misguided. I think the wrong people have molded him into what or who his is. I don't see him as evil, but unfortunate. I don't know when it will happen, but I truly believe the time will come when he regrets certain decisions he's made.
@dawnald (84075)
• Shingle Springs, California
25 Aug 09
If you really want to get banned, post a lot of discussions with user names of people on here calling them all sorts of bad things. That will get somebody's attention quicker than anything! :-) ON the other hand, try not to get banned! We'd miss you. :-(