Single dad with Pottie Training Problems!!!!

@DrPain (31)
United States
August 28, 2009 6:29am CST
I have two little girls who are 2 years and 3 years old. The 2 year old still wears pampers and tells you when she uses the bathroom in it. I try to get her to understand that she needs to notify me when she has to go. Meaning before you do your duty in the diaper. I tried to sit her on her pottie for periods at a time but still doesn't work. Then my 3 year wears little girl underwear. She can go pottie all by herself. (I'm so proud of her) The only issue with her is that she thinks its ok to do a #2 in her underwear. So far she has gone through as many underwear as my youngest go through diapers. Being i'm a doctor and all, I thought I could handle this. I was wrong. I am going insane here. Does anyone have any ideas? Thankx
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8 responses
• Canada
28 Aug 09
Well for your 2 year old I might suggest you get rid of the pampers. Being wet and uncomfortable often leads to children wanting to find the solution to this problem. You can explain that going to the bathroom is the only answer for this. Make sure to praise heavily the efforts of both girls. Children are always looking for the approval of their parents and ways to please them. A reward system might work for you. Try setting up a little chart on the fridge or something with both girls names and use stickers (let them each choose stickers they like) every time they go to the bathroom properly. Set a goal that after x number of stickers, there will be a prize of some sort. It could be something as small as a gift from the dollar store that they get to choose. I hope that helps xoxo Cyne
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@owlwings (43915)
• Cambridge, England
28 Aug 09
I like your idea, Cyne. On the other hand, it does have some psychological dangers in that, ever after, the child may subconsciously come to associate going to the bathroom with a reward. This might not seem a big deal but this sort of thing can go deep into the subconscious and come out in unexpected and sometimes apparently quite unrelated behaviour in later life. For example, if a child were habitually given sweets/candy for 'good' behaviour, that child might grow up to have an otherwise unexplainable 'sweet tooth'! I may seem to be making a mountain out of a molehill but I do believe that the principle of tangible rewards for 'good' behaviour, while, perhaps, effective, adds an unrelated element to the mix (toilet training is, or should be, a matter of personal pride rather than an excuse for a treat!)
@owlwings (43915)
• Cambridge, England
28 Aug 09
Oh! I didn't mean to criticise you ... I have used that technique with my own kids often! It is only now they are grown (and doing the same with their kids as I did) that I have the leisure to reflect on what is good and what might not be so good! Easy to be wise after the event!
@mdrgsm (61)
• Ukraine
28 Aug 09
Well I am just finishing the potty training stage in my almost 3 year olds life. He picked it up pretty quickly, which I am glad for. However I did notice he had a bigger problem with the pooping in his pants than the peeing. It seems he was afraid to go poop in the potty. I have read and heard that this is normal, but still unsure as to why. I think if you just encourage the 3 year old, then maybe she will oversome that. Not sure how much time you have to work with it, but even going as far as holding her hand while she goes can be comfortimg to her. As for the 2 year old, maybe she isn't quite ready? My son was telling me when he was going in his diaper, but didn't have a desire to go in the potty just yet. You can try putting her in underwear, like mentioned above. She might not like the wet feeling. She also might like being a "big girl" like her sister :-)You might even want to try letting her pick out what kind of "big girl" underwear she can have! Give her incentives to going on the potty! Praise and support are the key in successful potty training. Good luck with it, and remember try to be patient and not get discouraged. Don't give up! Have a Blessed Day!
• United States
28 Aug 09
I understand the fear thing quite well as my son is ADHD and had the pooping problem for years. His was a fear of public toileting because he has environmental issues and if he wasn't "comfortable" with the environment, he would hold it until he popped basically. That and many children fear pooping in the pot because it is so much more visible than urine (just turns the water yellow, no biggie), but poo... different issue.... they can feel like they are losing a part of their bodies (because they can see this chunk of stuff that came out) and can feel like flushing it is losing part of themselves down the drain. I disagree with training a child by their age... some children have a lot more issues than others and can take much longer no matter what you do, but some are just plain stubborn and like the attention of mommy or daddy having to clean them up (something to watch for).
@owlwings (43915)
• Cambridge, England
28 Aug 09
It takes quite a time for children to recognise the signs of an impending need to use the toilet. I am not sure, but I think that children do not even develop the nervous mechanism that allows them to be prewarned for some time. As adults, we forget very quickly that this is something we learned or developed. By the age of two or three, I think, most children will have some idea that something is about to happen but they still may have no idea how to 'hold on' to it (control of the sphincter muscles) or they do not know how long a warning they have, so there are often mistakes! I would say that your three year old is doing pretty well. Many children don't achieve 100% success until they are 4 or 5 or even older. There are, basically, two ways of training - punishment and fear (of what adults might think) and love and kindness. The first (as we might train a dog or a cat) is arguably the most effective and quickest; the second is the way that, as humans, we believe we ought to train: it probably takes longer but, hopefully, leaves the child with fewer emotional hang-ups about anything to do with toilets!
• Canada
28 Aug 09
Wow! I find that fascinating. I had my 3 potty trained pretty early. The last one by the time he was 2 and he was the late bloomer. I didn't actually have to reward any of them for that, but I thought a small reward for good behaviour couldn't do too much harm. I especially don't think that they'd get hooked on reward for good toilet manners, because eventually, they'll become accustomed to the comfort of being dry and clean. That in itself will be the reward in the future. I look at it as a kind of kick start to get them on the proper path. Of course I would never suggest junk food ever for a reward because as you say, they could develop a taste for it. I don't think there's any harm in a small dollar toy or something at this age. Of course as they grow older you're able to reason with them that while always expected, sometimes a good deed is just praised and nothing more. xoxo Cyne
@irishidid (8688)
• United States
28 Aug 09
Just because a child can tell you she went to the bathroom in her diapers, it doesn't mean they are ready. I agree with the post that said to get rid of the diapers, at least in the day time. Years ago I had a book about potty training in one day. I used it with my autistic daughter. The idea was to keep the child in one room for the day with the only goal to use the potty chair. I'll be honest, it worked half-way for my daughter. She did start using the potty for number 1, but we struggled with the pooping issue and I had to resort to extreme measures. That had more to do with her disabilities than anything else. Still, the fact it worked for a child who was nonverbal and had all the classic signs of autism, shows how effective it is. http://www.pottytrainingconcepts.com/A-How-to-Potty-Train-One-Day.html As for the older child, stop throwing away her underwear. Keep them, but go out and let her pick out the best "princess" pants ever and tell her she can wear them as long as she never poops in them. If she does poop in them she won't be able to wear them anymore and has to wear the old ones. Make buying the best underwear a big deal. Let her pick them out, praise her for her choice, and act like it's the greatest thing she's ever done. Instill it in her mind how important they are.
@patofgold23 (5069)
• Philippines
29 Aug 09
hi singledad.. that is sooo cute you pottytrain you kids. I applaud you for that. there are a few people i know that do not give in much effort at all and leave evrything to the diaper. I'm not sure if I am still in the position to give advises on this one as my son is now 14 years old and i somehow have forgotten the tiny details .. but i could remember the Potty training period is one of the hardest and takes a lot of patience to successfully do that..and a lot of consistency too. i could remember sitting my baby at certain times of the day, even if he doesn't go or not..i want to set a regular routine for him..his potty time. and even if it's too late already..i still sit him on the potty so he is reminded that that's where it should be done... eventually he got it.
• United States
29 Aug 09
My suggestion is that you take them to the bathroom 30 min after a meal; this is the way we would do at the Day Care. Sometimes you catch them before the accidents and sometimes you don't. You can clap when they make it and say nothing about it when they don't. I do agree with the others when they say let them both pick out some "big girl" underwear (cartoon or name-brand of toy). Don't use this as a reward necessarily.
• United States
28 Aug 09
Just a thought, but it may be a negative form of attention. As the younger sibling, she may feel jealous of the older and be doing it to have more of daddy's attention, even if it is negative. Take away the diapers.... completely. Tell her she is too big to do that and start making her clean her own mess... that tends to slow them down a LOT. Although most parents don't agree with it anymore because of fear of "traumatizing" their child, which I think is a bunch of hooey... if she messes her "big girl panties", give her a swat on the bottom and make her clean herself, don't do it for her. Children are MUCH smarter than most adults credit them for being and BELIEVE me they get tired of that pretty fast when they figure out it is no longer getting the response they are looking for. Of course you praise her when she does go, but she may also have a fear of losing part of herself as I noted in a reply to another poster, so make the potty less scary by explaining to her what that waste IS. Sometimes that can help if it is a fear issue. My older brother was so stubborn about pooing in his pants eventually my father got tired of it, smeared it on the end of his nose (gross I know, but effective) and sat him on the pot and told him "You smell it for an hour". He never did it again. I potty trained myself (cotton diapers back then and didn't like the feel of it on my skin)... I was using the pottie completely at 14 months. Every child is different, so hopefully some of the advice everyone on here gave will help.... best of luck and just be patient, I know it's a pain LOL
@marctiu (829)
• Philippines
28 Aug 09
Have you try explaining it to your daughters? Have you assessed their status, maybe they are in a trauma or there's an underlying problem mentally and emotionally. Usually by the age of 3 they gain complete control of their sphincter and does not wet the bed no more nor wet the pants. Try gathering data of the underlying cause maybe, just maybe you'll be able to solve that problem. I hope this helps...