What Was Used Before Paper and Toilet Rolls Were Invented?

@wolfie34 (26771)
United Kingdom
August 31, 2009 9:42am CST
Whilst on the throne it got me wondering before toilet rolls, and certainly before paper was invented, what did people use to wipe their derrieres? Apologies if you are reading this whilst dining or nibbling, but we live in a world now where we have all our home comforts but what did we have before after one went to the toilet? The only option I can come up with is water splashed onto the behind? Kind of like a bidet, but by what method? Or did people rush down to the local stream, river or pond to dunk themselves in after they have had a number two? I am sure bidets weren't around and without paper and toilet rolls what would one do after visiting the bathroom? So what alternative was there, what did the peasants and royalty do after doing what they do when on the throne so to speak? Pieces of scroll maybe? Who knows, do you?
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28 responses
• United States
31 Aug 09
Its amazing what comes to you while tarrying awhile in the small room, isn't it? I;m all for a natural product myself, so some of the suggestions of leaves and things sound good to me! Hmm, lets see, can we come up with a top ten possibilities? 1. Next doors toilet paper. If you run out -we're all friends here! Don't be afraid to pop round next door - don't trip up now, remember yer pants are round yer ankles - and say, I'm sorry, but could I just trouble you for a sheet or two? Most will oblige, if only to get rid of you... 1. Paper towels (otherwise known as kitchen paper) Not the cheap stuff, mind - you'll get no absorbency there. On the other hand, beware the type that is a good two inches thick, it'll never flush and you'll be plunging til midnight bringing up all manner of previous doings. 3. An item of your partners clothing. Face it ladies, he leaves socks, shirts, goodness knows what, scrunched in a gross damp little ball after he takes it off, then later he picks it up and puts it back on. Really, is he going to notice a bit of extra dirt? 4. The bath towel. The pure white clean fluffy bath towel. Take it down, do what you need to and be sure to hang it up again the other way round. Out of sight, out of mind, am I right?! 5. Postcards from the fridge. I have several stuck to my fridge with magnets....the great thing with this one is you won't need the magnets to stick them back on afterwards, and can use them for something else less...um...sticky.... 6. A stuffed toy. Go on, admit it, you still have that one you've had since you were a kid. Its been YEARS since you last threw up on it and had to have your mum wash it. It feels unwanted, unloved, without a purpose in life. Make its day... 7. What did you THINK you had hands for? 8. Now you have a use for all those pointless coupons and receipts you never use from the supermarket. Keep them in a box by the toilet for those days when you're running low. 9. Ah, who says we need to wipe? Make like the medievals, it'll all work its way loose eventually - spray a bit of perfume, 'nuff said! 10. I love my cat, she is VERY clean and always washing herself. Pick her up, make use of her and watch the ultimate self cleaning toilet product get to work! I hope this is helpful. I wouldn't want any of us to be stuck without anything to use....
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
31 Aug 09
All I can say is WOW! You really thought this one through didn't you! Very impressive and definitely without a shadow of a doubt deserves my br, I don't usually give them out this early but I will definitely make the exception. Oh and a very warm welcome to Mylot to you!!!
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@tomjoad (551)
• Philippines
1 Sep 09
hahaha item number 10 is the funniest of them all! a cat? for sure even before you can wipe you a** she'll bite it thinking that it's cat food! lol
• United States
1 Sep 09
aw, thanks! Always ready to share a helpful tip, me! Of course, no one will want to friend me now because they think I'm disgusting but this is a burden I have to bear for sharing my wisdom.If I can make one stuffed toy happy today its worth it. Pray fervently for my husband...
• Philippines
31 Aug 09
I do not know really know what is being used during the stone age of the cavemen, but they manage to populate the world with the modern homosapien. I guess they use water to wash their lower organs and have a big leaves uses as a wiper. Your ideas is a little fine during those days..and even you were born in those times you get to accept the normal practices and have no right to be choosy..They only use whatever are the available means to make their life comfortable using crude technology..
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
31 Aug 09
That is a good point, you can't miss what you've never had, it would never occur to them that toilet paper would be better because it wasn't invented so to them leaves would have been what toilet paper is to us in today's world.
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@nannacroc (4049)
31 Aug 09
Strangely enough I went to Lunt Fort recently, an old Roman fort near here and there was a sponge on a stick that the Romans used to use. Can't tell you about any others though but probably something similar. It didn't say whether they washed the sponges or threw them away.
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@nannacroc (4049)
31 Aug 09
You've been having too much contact with a certain p1ke of our acquaintance by the sound of those awful jokes.
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
31 Aug 09
Moi?
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
31 Aug 09
Now I understand how soap on a rope came about!!!! Another poser that has been answer LOL! Now I am left wondering if it was raspberry sponge or a strawberry one and did the sponge have cream on it? (OUCH!) sorry couldn't resist ;0)
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
31 Aug 09
I'm gonna bet that royalty had people to do their wiping for them. Yech, what a job! Other than that, different cultures probably had different solutions from leaves to cloth to water. This definitely goes on my list of reasons why I'm happy not to live in an earlier age without modern conveniences!
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
31 Aug 09
Wolfie howls with laughter, can you imagine the job description for wiping the King's back side! I wonder if there were any perks. Imagine!
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
31 Aug 09
and you kept your head, literally! I don't think you could have a worst boss than Henry VIII.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
31 Aug 09
Perks, yeah, you were allowed to live. That's got to be a worse than suppository tester, for sure!!!
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@Humbug25 (12540)
31 Aug 09
Hey there wolfie34 What a lovely discussion . Well I think maybe people used large leaves or something. Actually in middle eastern countries they don't use toilet rolls or tissues at all so my answer to this would be plain old water and yur hand I'm afraid. I know this from first hand experience my friend. You kind of wash you bits and pieces at the same time washing your hands if that makes sense. Knowing this you would never want to shake my hand if ever we were to meet would you? LOL
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
31 Aug 09
Can you tell I am a bit feisty today my friend ;0) Guess I need to go and pick some laurel leaves out of the garden, trying to economize see (only joking!) I guess you don't want to be stuffing the chicken after you've gone for a visit! Now I know why people would kiss as a greating instead of shaking hands LOL!
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
31 Aug 09
I'd have an imprint of a goldfish on my derriere then if I used my credit card statement, or if I needed to check my statement I would have to find a mirror PMSL!
@Humbug25 (12540)
31 Aug 09
Hey if you are being frugal then why not use the bills and leave the shrubbery as it is LOL
• United Kingdom
31 Aug 09
Hi wolfie, this is an interesting discussion! I think that I will go as far back as the common caveman! I'm wondering what the poor chap did back then? I dread to think! I'm thinking that perhaps he used some of that famous dinasour skin! It's a subject that doesn't bear thinking about for too long! Moving forward to modern times once more though I'm thinking that the splashing of water certainly makes a lot of sense. I don't know if this applies but I remember that old tracing paper that used to be used during my school years! Well, I'm just grateful that everything has changed and we have some really decent toilet paper nowadays! Andrew
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
31 Aug 09
Hi Andrew, I shudder to think of that horrid stuff at school, ewwww it was shiny wasn't it, nasty, enough to give you nightmares and permanent scars for life! Thanks for er reminding me about the stuff, but I did ask LOL! Thanks my friend, hope you are having a great Bank Holiday!
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@bonbon664 (3466)
• Canada
31 Aug 09
In most places, you didn't use anything. You used the wiper God gave ya. If you were lucky enough to have old newspapers, or catalogues, you used that. Or corn cobs.....ewwww.
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
31 Aug 09
Corn cobs? I haven't heard of using them LOL! I guess anything to hand would be ok, anything but your hand yuk!
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@abbey19 (3106)
• Gold Coast, Australia
31 Aug 09
Interesting discussion wolfie! I don't know what royalty used, but we humble pleasants used newspaper - yes, scratchy, inky newspaper! I remember it was our job as kids in the family, to cut up the paper into squares and string it together to hang up in a convenient place! A bidet would have been nice, but we didn't have that luxury! I don't know what they used before paper - the mind boggles!
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
31 Aug 09
Hello stranger! I haven't seen you for ages, how are you? Lovely to see you as always. I guess you'd need a bath after going, because with all that newspaper print on your derriere LOL! Mind you if you ran out of something to read you could always read your partners back side PMSL! Forgive my feisty mood today my friend!
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@abbey19 (3106)
• Gold Coast, Australia
31 Aug 09
You are in a fiesty mood today wolfie, and it's good to see you so chirpy! Thanks for the laugh btw! Awwww - it's nice to know I've been missed! We have been travelling around the country for the past few weeks and not been able to access a computer as often as I would have liked, but we are returning home in just over a week, so things will be back to normal again.
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@williamjisir (22819)
• China
1 Sep 09
Hello wolfie. I think that it was by using water or dried straw to make it clean after using the toilet or bathroom in the very old days. I find it hard for me to imagine what else to use for it. Thank you for the discussion, wolfie. Good day.
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
1 Sep 09
Hi William, that is a great suggestion, straw, no one has thought of that it seems, it's nice and soft and bearable on the derriere! Great thinking my friend!
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@metschica25 (5399)
• United States
31 Aug 09
Hey! Ah, I would say they used rags and then would hand wash them in the creek with water and a homemade soap. If you wanna go further back then I would say they used grass and leaves and a hole . I think at the times they always made do and figured them out . I am sure they thought it was a great idea when the rags came along . Who knows what they will be using in a 100 years from now . I think TP works though LOL . Happy lotting!
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
31 Aug 09
I think grass would be acceptable and not too rough on the old derriere. In a hundred years from now I reckon we'd all have bidets or even a robot to do it for us, honestly humans are getting too lazy with technology and home comforts!
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@kellyjeanne (1576)
• United States
13 Sep 09
I believe I read somewhere on the net that rags were used back in the midieval days. I forget. That's an interestng question. Before paper, people wrote on papyrus that was soaked for a long time and then flattened out to write on. That's where we get the word 'paper'. Purrs, Catwoman=^..^= & Mija
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
14 Feb 12
Sorry for the super lengthy delay better late than never! I think I would prefer to bathe straight afterwards in a stream (providing the temperature was right that is!) I wonder if they suffered with piles etc using rough objects to 'clean up' afterwards LOL
@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
1 Sep 09
Interesting question lol. Since I love history, from what I've learned, people have used pages from books, corn cobs (ouch!!), wads of grass or leaves, and whatever else got the job done lol. I could just plain kiss whomever finally "invented" TP. Karen
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
1 Sep 09
It just shows you doesn't it how we take the humble toilet paper for granted, and so many other home comforts we have how many of us are guilty of taking them for granted too. Thanks for your valuable input my friend.
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• United States
2 Sep 09
You are so right! Way too many things we take for granted...like electricity, until the power goes out. Karen
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@taztheone (1721)
• India
31 Aug 09
There are many countries where toilet rolls are not used, instead water is used. Don't worry, you don't have to get water from a bucket or something like that, there will be specifically designed long taps made of plastic, rubber or steel for the purpose.
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
31 Aug 09
That sounds like a crude method of a bidet, effective and good at cleaning out the insides too if the rubber is long enough!
• United States
1 Sep 09
I would have to say it was leave's. Native american's used leave's, and small piece's of leftover hide. I can say that water most likely was not used, because in many place's people drank from stream's so they would not wash their back side's in the stream's. In fact My grandfather said when they were out in the wood's in the Winter time they used snow.
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
1 Sep 09
Snow????? Yikes! I prefer the leaves option. I guess we take toilet paper for granted in this day and age!
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• United States
31 Aug 09
I thought like your sister right away rags, plenty of uses for old sackcloth imagine if the children ever got a feel of Mom's silk??? Or maybe it was time for new drapes when they no longer covered the windows... Strips of fabric hanging all around and why the scarcity of washing? Who gets to carry in the water? Then to heat it up or bathe cold? There are a lot of things to consider about the 'old days'... Good times I don't remember...
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
31 Aug 09
Oh we missed out on so much...... NOT! I think we are spoilt nowadays with all our home comforts looking back on how it used to be, but I guess living then they didn't know any difference. A choice between using silk for the derriere or Andrex, no contest, the good old puppies win every time LOL!
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@ibuemma (2953)
• United States
31 Aug 09
That's interesting. i'm not sure about 'paper' depend on when paper invented. Before that I'm thinking water, and use rag or towel to dry it.
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
31 Aug 09
Yes I think rags would have been used, and water would be the solution.
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@tjades (3591)
• Jamaica
31 Aug 09
Aahhmmmm... For all the amusement this topic evoked in me, my brain can only come up with one answer... Leaves. I figure in the days before there was a proper method of disposing of oneself (even before the advent of the outhouse), people used to releive themselves in the bushes and just reach up and use the means provided by nature to clean up themselves. Thats my take on the pre-toilet paper issue. Other than that I can only think of stones. Ouch... Must have been smooth stones.
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
31 Aug 09
That's enough to bring tears to your eyes, stones, painful! All I can say that I will never take Andrex Toilet Paper for granted again LOL!
• Canada
31 Aug 09
rags....just like what women used before the invention of sanitary napkins and tampons....YOU ASKED! LOL
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
31 Aug 09
I know, ask and you shall be rewarded, curiousity sated, thank you dear sis x
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
31 Aug 09
Hi Wolfie, I must ask about that in the cafenion as it's only been within the last fifty years or so that somplaces in this area actually had toilets, so presumbely used the olive groves. I hasten to add this is a rural location. So I would have thought that leaves of some description would have been the answer, or possibly old bits of olive sacks.
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
31 Aug 09
Aaah so that's why the olives grow so well! Due to the manure ;0)
@killer04 (282)
• Australia
31 Aug 09
That's quite an interesting topic. To be honest, I do not really know with what people used to clean themselves. I would guess that they would use buckets of water to clean themselves. I would not be surprised if there were some people who would just dip themselves into a lake/river to clean themselves.
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
31 Aug 09
There could be a bucket of water yes, good idea. Glad you liked the topic!