Do You Know What A Self Fulfilling Prophecy Is?

@wolfie34 (26771)
United Kingdom
September 2, 2009 8:49am CST
As I understand it and it is very atypical of me that I do this whether consciously or unconsciously but my previous therapist picked up on it and it was also mentioned today when I went a long to a group that has a 'drop in' centre for people with depression and mental illnesses. My experience is of a 'Self Fulfilling Prophecy' (Please note this is OFF-LINE only, not on-line) I think everyone hates me and thinks I am ugly and wouldn't look at me twice or give me the time of day, unless they want to use or abuse me so this is the way I view people and so I immediately put the barriers up and I am very hostile, icy cold, aloof and I push people away deliberately, as though I am rejecting them before they have a chance to reject me. Because I know damn well they will reject me Whether it's suspicion or paranoia or both that has set in, that anyone who speaks to me is a potential bully, they see me as vulnerable, they see me as someone to abuse, control and manipulate. So by refusing to let them in, I don't give them the opportunity to hurt me emotionally or otherwise. Now this to me is a self fulfilling prophecy because I know people don't like me therefore the way I act towards people makes them not like me so therefore what I believe is true. If that makes sense? Do you experience or understand self-fulfilling prophecies?
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
2 Sep 09
Unfortunately, yes, I do know what a self-fulfilling prophesy is from personal experience. We all have an opinion on ourselves, on others, and on the world around us. We carry on inner dialouges via our thoughts throughout each day. Whatever we think over and over becomes our personal reality, even it that reality is not acutally true. The best thing for this is to change that inner self-talk and put our thoughts into a more realistic pattern. Changing from negative to positive will then become a better habit and a more accurate reality than what we had before. One way to help with this process is to catch any negative feedback we give ourselves at the very moment we notice it, and then change that to a positive. Another good tool is to write down good things we know to be true about ourselves and refer to them often! Karen
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
2 Sep 09
Hi Karen, my previous therapist said to me that I should write down one thing positive about myself each day for a month, so after a month I would have 30/31 positive attributes about myself to focus on. I think I did three days and gave up. Negativity kept invading my thoughts. I seem to soak up negative thoughts and anything positive fades into insignificance or bounces off like a trampoline.
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
3 Sep 09
Thank you my friend I might just do that ;0)
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• United States
3 Sep 09
Hm, you could start over and get very specific...for instance, name every good thing you have ever done for yourself or another, and hopefully that will lead you to discover the positives in yourself....all 30/31 of them LOL. Did you bathe today? Then you practice cleanliness. Did you buy someone a birthday card or gift recently? Then you are generous, thoughtful of others. Do you remember to keep appointments? Then...you have a good memory. You write well here, so you are educated or good with words...you get the idea. Good luck and do give it another try.
• United States
2 Sep 09
Yes, I do understand what you mean when you are talking about self-fulling prophecies. When we have an pessimistic view at what ever we do, the result will prove us right in that end...because we have subconciously deemed it so. If we are engaged in something, and believe that the end result will not be any good or any better for us, it won't be. I often experience that myself, especially when it comes to my son. If he tries something new, or takes new medication, we should be looking at it with a positive outlook, and be optimistic at the outcome - to believe that it's going to work this time, and it's going to help him a great deal. However, because of his many trials, it is hard for him and I to look at things this way...we have both been dissapointed so many times, that it's hard to believe that the next new thing will be any different. You then begin to be afraid of "hoping for the better", because when it doesn't work, the dissappointment is another let down that you have to deal with again. Your life begins to feel like a roller coaster, with so many ups and downs, that you stop climbing the hills. It seems much easier to handle the results when you don't expect anything - you don't get dissappointed for the upteenth time. But how do you stop reacting that way? When you attempt again and again to change things for the better, do you become hopeful that this time will be different? Do you stay firm in believing that it's going to work this time? But, what happens if it doesn't? We will ultimately say, "I'm not surprized...didn't think it was going to work anyway?" We slide down that hill again, that was so full of hope, and become devestated again. After all, we can only ride that ride so many times, until we give up. So, instead we stop taking chances, we stop looking for help, we stop trying...because we are convinced we know what the outcome is going to be anyway. Yup...life can be cruel...I wish I had the answers?
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
2 Sep 09
Wow, you seem to have hit the nail on the head dear friend. When we get disappointment after disappointment after disappointment we come to expect them, yeah, bring them on! What is the point in hoping for something good to happen, when we know yet another disappointment is going to come along time after time, so we give up in actual fact or just expect disappointment, in a way we are not disappointed, because when we expect a disappointment and get a disappointment then we say well I told you so! Even when it turns into a success, we are disappointed because we wanted to prove to ourselves and others that we were right and that disappointments happen every time, kinds of screws up our thinking when that doesn't happen. Sorry does that make sense?
• United States
2 Sep 09
It certainly does make sense...when something does work, you usually hear things like "see, you just got to believe in him...or believe in yourself"..it will be okay...HA! Then we either humbly say, "Yeah, I know", or we can say "Wait a few months - then tell me I told you so", because we are so sure that it's going to fail again. And maybe if we weren't so pessimistic, it wouldn't fail...but we are so sure it's going to that we can't even be happy when it seems to be going to good. And maybe it IS the pessimism that does make it fail. Let me give you an example of what my son and I just went thru...He wanted to move out and live on his own...I didn't blame him..who wants to live with a parent forever. But when I heard where he wanted to live - about 4 miles from my house, in a 2 1/2 room apt,I was so discouraged and I thought of all the negatives behind it: he does haven't a car, therefore how is he going to get around; how can a person with ADD, Bipola, and all that other garbarge going to survive in a 2 1/2 room apt, when the walls are going to appear like they are closing in on him; with a social disorder, how is he going to stay in his apt. 24-7, and talk to no one - how can that be healthy for him. At least, when he lived with me, he had me to talk to." Those are things that went running around my head. Then he was told that the apt only had one window in each room (My God! the room is closing in already!), and that it really was only 2 rooms and not 2/12 (Great! - it keeps sounding good - YEAH, right!) But he proceeded to move in - the first time we looked at the apt...I was shocked, it wasn't just 2 rooms, it was almost 3, in the way that it was made. It had 3 windows in the living room, and 2 in the Bedroom, so I don't know why they seemed to think there was only 1. I was ecstatic! My response to that was..."okay, whoever is listening to me up there, you are proving me wrong...Please keep proving me wrong!" And when people asked me how he liked his apt...my answer was "Fine, now, but ask me again in a few months..things will probably change...unless someone up there continues to prove me wrong." Well, guess what, that was 4 months ago, and my son is moving back home...he can't handle living there..because he feels completely isolated from everyone, and me. He actually got worse while he was there. Soooooooooo...am I surprized...nope! Is he and I dissappointed...YUP! What's the next step? You got me...I have no idea!
• United States
2 Sep 09
Arrwyn: Your story is miracle...I am so happy for you that things turned out the way they did. I just have to make my son also see what you are saying, and try not to give up...he has been struggling like this for 23 years. Some of it I am sure is his own doing..because he just gets sick of the same results. So I am willing to try all kinds of things...but I'm not sure if he has any fight left in HIM. Additionally, mental illness is a tuff thing to cure...it is always trial by error when trying different meds....and it seems you have to take them for a couple of months before they actually work...so it is a lengthy process. I thank you very much for the response...you have given me back some hope, and encouragement...I just hope that he finds encouragement in your response as well and is willing to try it again. Bless you!
@mssnow (9484)
• United States
2 Sep 09
Well Wolfie i hope when i finally do meet you, you don't push me away because it will hurt my feelings. I'm sure a lot of people get their feelings hurt by you doing this to them. Instead of you at least trying you, are making sure no one likes you but WOLFIE
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
2 Sep 09
I would never push you away Princess, you know that. But I do find it so different being online and making friends and dealing with people than offline. You wouldn't recognize the same person, I guess most of my friends wouldn't recognize me, although my picture on the avatar is definitely me, I guess it's a different person online to offline. I have more confidence and I make friends easily online, I just wish that could be true offline too. But you are right, and I am getting help Princess, it's just a long road for me at the moment. Huggles xxxx
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• United States
2 Sep 09
Hi wolfie! I used to be very negative too and put up walls so people would not be able to hurt me....it is very HARD to change negative thinking patterns...but it is NOT impossible...keep trying...every day is a brand new start and a new chance to get it right...It has taken me 2 years to get where I am now which is a lot better than where I was then...lol...definately worth it... Have you ever read anything by Wayne Dyer or Deepak Chopra? If you havent you DEFINATELY should! here are a few of my favorites in case you dont know where to start....these books helped me tremendously! You'll See It When You Believe It Wayne Dyer The Power of Intention Wayne Dyer Change Your Thoughts Change Your Life Wayne Dyer How To Know God Deepak Chopra The Seven Spiritual Laws of Sucess Deepak chopra Book Of Secrets Deepak Chopra also whatch a movie called "What The Bleep Do We Know" If you are interested in watching it send me a private message and i can find you a link to watch it for free! Take Care!
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• United States
2 Sep 09
These books are different! Youll see what i mean.
@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
3 Sep 09
Hey my little brother~ Of course you probably already know that I have a similar problem, but maybe not quite as serious as you have described. I used to be alot like you describe, but now I really don't give a damn what most people think about me so I don't put up those walls so much anymore! I know that I am better than "those" people! And I think that you know better too! You know that you are not really the way you describe yourself! You are so far from being ugly and definitely you are not a cold and aloof person! You can pretend to be, but that's really not who you are! I have always thought negatively all throughout my life so I definitely know what it is to have "Self Fulfilling Prophecies"! So I definitely can understand where you're coming from, but I guess there's no surprise there! Your attitude is "I'll hurt them first before they can hurt me" "If I walk around with a chip on my shoulder they won't bother with me". Oh hell, been there, done that! But, what do you really get out of that? You really aren't like that, in fact you are so opposite, at least on here you are! If only you could mix both personas you would have such a wonderful life! I love you wolfie! Hugs, your sister Opal
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
3 Sep 09
Hi sis you are right! Negativity indeeds breeds negativity, so what you mirror is reflected back and forgive the cliches. Plus it's all about karma as well isn't it, negativity can be construed as bad karma so whatever you give out you just know that bad karma is coming back at you. It's like a vicious circle, hence the self fulfilling prophecy, it's trying to break that cycle is the key and I need to be strong enough and capable enough to do it! Huggles from your bro Wolfie xxx
• India
3 Sep 09
It IS a self fulfilling prophecy, but the first step from one releasing itself from it's clutches, is RECOGNIZING it's existence. If one recognisises it for WHAT it is... ie it's just a BIT of mental/emotional programming, it's not the TOTALITY of ones personality, just a small aspect of it, ......then if one recognizes it's disfunctionality and invests ones energy to somehow beat/fight it..... then the self fulfilling prohcecy is already breaking down...hope that makes sense. The fact that you are able to communicate online with such clarity, sincerity and vulnerablity means that your already half way out of it's cluthces. Its extremely natural to be much more defensive with people offline than online, but one shouldn't worry about it too much. To be able to communciate sincerely from the heart is a massive step in the right direction! regardless of whether its online or offline. Its TRYE that probably, the majority of people, to some extent or another, do want to use or abuse... or be abused bla bla....unfortunately the majority of humans function in this way...... in this day and age. If one is emtionally strong then thats not a problem.... because it doesn't GET to you and you know how to play it..... but for people who are extremely sensitive and vulnerable then it's NATURAL to be somewhat aloof and defensive. There are actually very few people that one meets in one's life, who's motives are 100% percent altruistic, to meet such people, serves as a catalyst to rekindle ones OWN inner strength, self belief, self respect etc...but they ARE extremely few and far inbetween. Personally I believe that if one craves a solution to a dilema badly enough and if one puts out that craving, then the solution WILL come!....... eventually! So the way I look at it, is that if you are expresing so sincerely online....and if you have the courage to remain true to this vulnerbality that you feel, then sooner or later... situations WILL arise that will help you in your path towards a deeper sense of self worth, love and respect. Rooting for ya! Ps sorry for all 'ones'....unashamed one fan! Oh dear!
• India
3 Sep 09
true
• India
4 Sep 09
that was for the type error
@nannacroc (4049)
2 Sep 09
I do understand what they are and I think we've all experienced them at some time. I rarely get close to people because of bad experiences, not with bullying but with feeling used by people so I tend not to let people get too close. Happily I have a loving family and the friends I have know me so well they take me as I am even if I haven't seen them for ages. I also like my own company which helps a lot.
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
2 Sep 09
I guess it's also a defence mechanism kicking in. Everyone to me is a potential bully or in your case a potential abuser it's because what has happened to us in a past. We don't allow ourselves to be put into that situation where we are bullied or abused so we pull the shutters down so to speak on everyone. Thanks dear friend I hope you've had a good day.
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
2 Sep 09
Hi wolfie, I have some idea of what you mean and I think many people experience it to some extent and for some it is a huge problem. What, if any solutions are recommended? Blessings.
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
2 Sep 09
Breaking the pattern is not easy, it's being able to take out the negativity aspect which is obviously the key that governs SFP.
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
2 Sep 09
Hm well I'm shy so people think I'm standoffish so they don't make an effort to get to know me so I don't talk much to people I don't know so they think I'm standoffish. I guess that's kind of a self fulfilling prophecy...
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
2 Sep 09
Sometimes it can be a vicious circle, sometimes it's just another protective layer that we wear that subconciously protects ourselves.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
2 Sep 09
A little of both...
@guybrush (4658)
• Australia
3 Sep 09
I absolutely agree with this, Wolfie. I think the perception we have about ourselves radiates outward and others also see us that way. If we show we have little confidence and keep putting ourselves down, people see us as negative and pessimistic, and before long they avoid our company as we are putting out 'bad vibes' - and they refrain from complimenting us because they know we will only disagree and mumble something negative. I know it's hard to go out there in the world looking confident and in control of things, but it makes an enormous amount of difference to the way others see us, and before long we start attracting a different type of person and start feeling good about ourselves again. Negativity breeds negativity, and if that's the image we project, we tend to attract others of a similar disposition. Being aware of this is a great start, and you seem to be very insightful and alert regarding the problem. I spent many years shutting people out, as a defence against being hurt - but in the end it's far better to get out there and open up a bit. In shutting down, we miss many opportunities - and although there will always be disappointments and hurts, the good and exciting experiences will make up for them if we only let ourselves embrace them.
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
3 Sep 09
Hello my friend, yes I guess the same goes for karma as for negativity, you send out bad karma to people then you will receive bad karma back, it's learning how to break the cycle and of course being strong enough to do so. I do believe I have missed a great deal of opportunities in my life but I put that down to being stubborn as well.
@rosdimy (3926)
• Malaysia
2 Sep 09
I do know what a self fulfilling prophesy is. Fortunately I never had any experience in this aspect of life. Whatever inherent weaknesses or failings that I have, I try to think in a positive. Weaknesses can be strengthened. Failings can be corrected. A true example is that many people dislike me. It does not stop me from behaving normally, nor turning me into a paranoid person. Proving the others wrong in a silent way is better than reacting to shadows.
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
2 Sep 09
Yes I understand where you are coming from, thank you for your valid response, appreciated.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
2 Sep 09
I do understand them a little. I think that we could all be found guilty of these if we thought about it. It's almost like sabatoging ourselves. We get something in our heads and react as though it is true, then by our reactions it feeds to others their reactions causing it all to be so in the end. That's my take on it.
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
2 Sep 09
You are so right, we are sabotaging our efforts before we have given ourselves a chance, thank you my friend, appreciate your thoughts on this topic.
• Preston, England
23 Sep 15
A self-fulfilling prophesy is where fear of something happening leads you to a course of action that ends up making the disaster feared actually happen. Mythology is full of stories like that of Oedipus. His parents feared he would kill the father and sleep with the mother so they cast him into the sea but he was saved and slept with his mother because he didn't know until later that she was his mother, - same with his dad. He killed him thinking him a stranger - had the parents ignored the prophesy Oedipus would have been ok. Similarly for you, don't live up to the description given to you, and keeping friends might get easier - good luck.