do you think agnostics are unsure atheists?

@jb78000 (15164)
September 11, 2009 12:21pm CST
this is a quote from a radio comedy series: god's view of agnostics - 'atheists with a touch of cowardice'. do you tend to agree or not?
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@mrakobesie (1246)
• United States
11 Sep 09
nope, they just have their own thinking. They realize that there is a chance that god exist and there is a chacne that he doesn't. So they are not going to take ether side because there is no 100% proove ether way. Some agnostics thing that the chances god exists are higher then the chances god doesn't exist, some think that the chances god doesn't exist are higher, and others are in the middle. Immagine a line, on one site there are theists, on the other there are atheists. Lets number it for more clarity. Number 1 would be theists that 100% sure God exists, 2 are theists that are almost sure God exists and think the chance he doen't is so tiny that we might as well say he exists 3 are agnostics who think chances god exists are a little higher then chances he doesn't exists but it's not enough to be sure in ether direction 4 are agnistics who are exactly in the middle. For then it's 50/50 chance 5 are agnistics who think that the chances god doesn't exist are higher but it's not enough to be sure 6 are atheists who think that god almost certanley doesn't exist but there is a very slight chance and 7 are atheists who are 100% sure god doesn't exist.
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@jb78000 (15164)
11 Sep 09
what's your thinking?
• United States
12 Sep 09
oh i'm an non secular atheist. I don't belive in God, but i do belive if other "super natural" things. My thinking is that it's very unlikely that God exists and even if God does exists he/she is not the way orgonized religions describe him/her
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@jb78000 (15164)
12 Sep 09
that's similar to what i believe. i used to just describe myself as agnostic but i'm not sure that is very accurate. atheist isn't either though.
• United States
12 Sep 09
The doubt is what makes them agnostics. They know there is something greater than they but they aren't sure who it is or what. There is no place for cowardice when it comes to religion. It isn't about being brave. It is about what you feel in your heart and what path you want to take.
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@jb78000 (15164)
12 Sep 09
so what do you believe? i think i can assume that you're not an agnostic.
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• United States
13 Sep 09
I believe every religion is truthful. It is up to each person to decide which religion or path he or she will take.Or if they have no connection to Anyreligion ,that's fine too. For me,I picked Judaism. It is the religion that fulfills my needs the best.
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• United States
13 Sep 09
Oops.I forgot.My mom was an agnostic.And she supported my religious choice.
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@miamilady (4924)
• United States
11 Sep 09
I always try to appreciate humor, but if I'm answering the question seriously, I'd have to say for most agnostics the answer is "no". My understanding of what agnostic is (which is what I most identify myself with...usually) is people who believe in God, but don't believe in organized religion.
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@jb78000 (15164)
11 Sep 09
i think agnostic is used quite loosely though - i'd say it tends to be used in the ways both of you describe and for people who might be spiritual but don't really believe in god. language is pretty flexible lamb.
@miamilady (4924)
• United States
14 Sep 09
Thanks for the definition. I "believe" in God. But sometimes I do question his existence. Most of the time I just disagree with some of the things in the Bible and I question whether or not "The Bible" is truly the word of God. So...I dunno. I think I might be an agnostic! Which, I think from my Christian daughters perspective makes me "unholy". (that's what she's called me a few times recently)
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@dawnald (84152)
• Shingle Springs, California
11 Sep 09
Well now, it could be somebody who really believes there is the possibility that God exists but isn't sure. That would be me. Jewish Dad, Christian Mom, both non-observant, I wasn't raised in either religion but I wasn't raised to be an atheist either.
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@jb78000 (15164)
11 Sep 09
similar upbringing here. i believe that the world we see isn't everything but i don't believe in god, at least not the traditional idea of god.
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@dawnald (84152)
• Shingle Springs, California
11 Sep 09
That's more or less what I believe!
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• Australia
13 Sep 09
No, I don't. Most people are agnostic because they realise that the existence or non-existence of God can never be proven, and can find neither the faith or the logic to decide either way. Agnostic means, simply, without knowledge. A belief or non-belief in a higher power is a quite separate issue to a belief or non-belief in scriptural religion; in that issue, I am a virulent atheist, since there is no difficulty in deciding the validity at all, and I see scriptural religion as one of the truly great evils in human history. Lash
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@jb78000 (15164)
13 Sep 09
well i agree that a lot of nastiness goes on in the name of religion but i think there are some that use it in a good way. also, erm i've already said this but what's wrong with repetition? i don't think there is actually such a thing as knowledge, whatever people think. i think i'm agreeing with you here.
@TravisE (445)
• United States
12 Sep 09
Disagree. But, the commentator is welcome to their opinion, of course. It's just that it is an opinion. So is mine. The definition of agnosticism is someone who believes in some "greater/higher power/source" who has not had what they feel to be as direct experience of that "power/source." Agnostics have the courage of a conviction in both their belief that there is something, and an honest confession about their doubt as to what that is. Sounds not like cowardice to me. ;)
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@jb78000 (15164)
12 Sep 09
i agree. also remember this was a line was a comedy show
@PeacefulWmn9 (10424)
• United States
11 Sep 09
Hello Jb... Perhaps they are believers with a touch of cowardice?? :D My personal view is that an agnostic is just not sure one way or another of God's existence. Interesting stuff. Karen
@jb78000 (15164)
11 Sep 09
thankyou for saying interesting - it was just a quote from a comedy show. but someone has stuck 'rot' in the tags so nice to get that. anyway i think what you said about being unsure of god's existence pretty much the definition of agnostic but it seems to be used in a wider sense.
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@thea09 (18321)
• Greece
11 Sep 09
It was me, I usually just put a word in from the last sentence I type and it was nice and short. Rot and die. It's not as if I typed Religion.
@jb78000 (15164)
11 Sep 09
oh right. i thought it was a troll with a rather mild trolling habit. oh well, my hopes of getting my very own troll have been dashed.
@thea09 (18321)
• Greece
11 Sep 09
Well firstly jb I have to argue with the introduction of 'god's view of agnostics' as a figment of imagination such as the concept of a god can no more have a view than a refrigerator can, but I do get the pun. An atheist is someone who is certain of their own mind whilst an agnostic is a fence sitter hedging his bets.
@thea09 (18321)
• Greece
11 Sep 09
And as you were naughty enough to put this into religion without a warning jb I will add this just once, if anyone is so inclined to expect me to justify my atheism they can expect a long wait as I am not open to conversion, indoctrination or self justification. Thank you.
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@jb78000 (15164)
11 Sep 09
wouldn't hedging your bets actually be pretending to believe in god just in case?
@thea09 (18321)
• Greece
11 Sep 09
To an atheist there is no hell for you to go to Lamby, just accept you drop and rot.
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• United States
12 Sep 09
I think agnostics are either afraid to have a strong opinion or they're too lazy to do the necessary research to come to a conclusion.
• Australia
13 Sep 09
Afraid to have a strong opinion? You must be insane. As for too lazy to research, well, let's see, this particular agnostic completed a BA in comparative religion only 6 years ago (at age 59). The arrogance of Bible-bashers never ceases to amaze me, especially since few of them have the intelligence to have any right to arrogance. Now, if you REALLY want my opinion, wave another red flag. Lash
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@jb78000 (15164)
13 Sep 09
thanks grandpa. that saves me from writing something like that.
• United States
13 Sep 09
If you have a strong opinion for or against God make it. I'm listening.
@charles63 (146)
• United States
12 Sep 09
It's a pretty good line and has an element of truth to it. A wannabe atheist who is uneasy about possibly forfeiting his or her chance for everlasting life might settle for being an agnostic instead. But I think that most agnostics are those who simply conclude that the existance of God can neither be proved or disproved.
@jb78000 (15164)
12 Sep 09
i think that's fair. i don't think there are really many agnostics who aren't denying the existence of a god just in case.