should catholic schools dismiss unwed women getting pregnant?

Philippines
September 17, 2009 9:15pm CST
catholic schools has this practice of dismissing and terminating female students and employees if they happen to get pregnant while still unwed or singles. now, a law has been passed, the Magna Carta for Woman, protecting the rights of these women in catholic schools. but these schools ran by the church and other religious sects are against the said law and they are seeking exemption. do you agree or in favor of the opinion of these religious school administrators? should they be exempted from a law promulgated to protect women's rights?
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@anib1227 (77)
• Philippines
18 Sep 09
Ha ha ha. I was a victim of this nonsense, theocratic, semenal and equally oppressing insensibilities of these moralists. I was married through civil wedding and I was working with an NGO under the auspices of these infallable churches, they suspended me for a month waaa! They have no right to dismiss anyone under the labor laws of the Philippines without due cause and this case is not a cause for dismissal. No way! They have to tackle first their rank and trim down those laities, priests and nuns, pastors and ministers with high testosteronic levels. Magna Carta for Women gives women their needed protection and no church or religious organizations are exempted in this law. Civilians (I meant those who are not religious like priests, nuns, pastors and ministers) should be governed by laws of the land. They should hire their own priests, nuns, ministers and pastors if they will not follow civilian laws. Freewill is a gift from God and no church could deny that. Sorry for the rants and blasphemes, good day.
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@aseretdd (13730)
• Philippines
18 Sep 09
I actually kept my civil wedding a secret from school administrators for a year... but i was ready to sue them just in case they find out and dismiss me from my job... but i did not have to because i resigned the following year so no bruhaha happened... too bad you were suspended for a month... but that is better than termination...
@aseretdd (13730)
• Philippines
18 Sep 09
I think the Nuns of the school then already know about my civil wedding because a lot of teachers are good at finding out facts like that... and they won't hesitate to tell those who they think should know... but they all know me a the no nonsense person who knows the law and won't hesitate to use that knowledge to my advantage... so it was like... if i keep quiet... the admin will also keep quiet...
• Philippines
18 Sep 09
Yeah, but I said to them: Do what you think moral but I will do what I think legal! The cowered for awhile. But, the reason they did not kick my butt was that no could do my job. I was so lucky, I was indespensible at that time. I was so happy that they suspended. I took my vacation and I enjoyed it with my wife. See...they can't afford to lose some people. They are all not that brainy and some lacked organizational skills. How's that?
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@eileenleyva (27562)
• Philippines
18 Sep 09
I have not read yet the new law on unmarried women getting pregnant and must be given the protection necessary for such a delicate situation. But I can understand the stand of the Catholic schools for asking for an exemption. A school is a venue for education and the highest discipline calls for a moral standard. If they allow such a case, more will follow. And moral decadence will follow suit. Students are in school to learn. Pregnancy can come later, when the students have grown up and married. As to the single women getting pregnant and they are working in a Catholic school, how good an example could they get. Young girls are impressionable. What they see amongst their elders, they imitate. Perhaps the law you are referring to was penned and passed by lawmakers who have multiple mistresses and innumerable children. Ooops, I might get into trouble. But let us open our eyes to the fact that they pass the law for their own purposes. When the law is in conflict with the fibers of society, what kind of law is it. Probably detrimental.
• Philippines
18 Sep 09
Those women getting pregnant prematurely should not be judged as sinners and who are we to judge them, anyway. I think church leaders should know this: Heal not the healthy but those who are sick. Leaders of churches or schools managed by churches should not leave these women in despair, they should console them instead. If indeed, this happens in their own noses, who's to be blamed? I think their evangelistic works failed and these evangelists are not effective. There is no poor congregation but there is poor evangelism.
@eileenleyva (27562)
• Philippines
18 Sep 09
Hi anib, we are not trying to be judgmental here. We are only saying that a school must be for education. Wayward women who got pregnant know what they are getting into when they engaged in pre-marital relations. The academe is not the place for their problems. Their family is the best support they can get. Or there are centers for women which offer psychological and physical help. People keep on saying that a problem or an issue must be aired in the proper venue or an appropriate forum. The school is not for pregnant women. The school is for education. Please refrain also from blaming people quickly. That is being judgmental.
• Philippines
18 Sep 09
Hi Aileen, I am so sorry for being judgmental sometimes and I always stand to be corrected. I do like your point that schools are for education and not social shelters. But, I just would like to point out as an additional thought that education entails formation of values, beingness, knowledge, spiritual, social, cultural and political. That is a holistic approach of education and that moral standard should not be and could not be put higher than the other aspects. Of course, in this case at hand, being in the midst of church's run schools, I know, it's the highest. I do like your faith and you should stay like that. What I would like to point out here is that there are some excesses that should not be tolerated after all. There are some subtle way of correcting mistakes and that the most hurting way of shattering egos is to say or invoke that moral standard: the highest discipline calls for a moral standard. Good night!
• Qatar
18 Sep 09
hi saluyot :) well, in all countries unwed women getting pregnant would be such a mess and a big problem regardless to the church and religion in my religion Islam ,unwed women must get married first then get pregnant to save and protect the child in coming years , I guess the catholic school should do that , coz all unwed women there are careless , and know nothing about child care, so they should stop the playing to protect coming kids and save their rights to have good parents !!
• Philippines
18 Sep 09
I think that catholic schools who dismisses women who are in this kind of situations should be penalized.. first of all, they should be doing what the bible teaches, but they are the first one who turn their heads against people who sin. Didn't the bible say that those who have not sinned should cast the first stone? have they not sinned? I mean, these women are the ones who need all the help that they need... including a good education for them and their children.
@jules67 (2788)
• Philippines
18 Sep 09
I remember when I was still in high school wherein one of the students was asked to take a leave of absence because she got pregnant. I believe the girl got back after she delivered the baby. I think that asking students who are in the same situation to take a leave of absence is a good thing to do. The students should be given counseling on what happened to her to give her proper guidance. Being a mother at an early age is not a good thing. Some become irresponsible mothers later on because they seek freedom thus neglecting their kids.
• Philippines
18 Sep 09
That would be the most sensible thing these church leaders should do. Giving support to the girl (lady)counseling and spiritual support. This is I think a good of example of evangelism in action: helping and not condemning, supporting and not kicking, praying and not ranting about the wrath of God. After the trial, I'm sure the person will come out as a whole and start anew as fresh, spiritually refreshed and ready to come back in the fold. The parable of lost sheep is a good example here.
@machizmo (279)
• United States
18 Sep 09
I think for a long time the people Jesus taught against have taken hold of the modern church. It is ruled and controlled by legalitic and law obssessed pharisees. Love has very little bearing as much as laws and rules and commandments.