Can You Cheat Fate And Death?

@zed_k4 (17624)
Singapore
September 30, 2009 7:55am CST
Hello mylot friends. It's been awhile since I've started any discussion. I have been busy with things and at the same time, catching up on others' discussions too. I don't believe that one can cheat fate and death because it's like pre-destined or something. But I believe one can change their fate by say, working hard for success and etc and hence, changing their fate to become better. And I think death is inevitable. When one has got to, she or he will go. My question is: If there's no such thing as cheating of fate and death, then why are those terms used at times? Hope that we can have a healthy and happy discussion here. Your answers are certainly appreciated and the best answer would definitely be selected with careful consideration. Thank you in advance...
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8 responses
• Indonesia
30 Sep 09
No, I can't. I'm Moslem n believe God much. If you work hard n you get success, then it's your fate but not everyone has it. Some work hard and not successful, it's fate too. You're sick and no hope to heal, suddenly you get healed, it's fate too. Sorry if my English is bad, I'm Indonesian.
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@zed_k4 (17624)
• Singapore
1 Oct 09
Fate and destiny are like siblings, right.. we aren't far away from them. I believe we can change certain things, but if it's fated to be a certain way, it would work that way. But there are always choices which will lead to our path. Thanks for your time..
@drannhh (15235)
• United States
30 Sep 09
Hello to you, too. Yes it has been a while. Same here. But when you do start a discussion it is always like a breath of fresh air. I take exceptions to those terms too. Once someone in a medical field accused me of "cheating time" and I was indignant. Usually stupid remarks like that just pass right over me, so I had to think a bit about why that particular remark got under my skin. It was because of the expectation that we should just knuckle under and be the unwitting or unwilling victim of the so-called ravages of time. I view time in a wholly different way. To me it is something elastic and full of opportunities. I think that when we "spend" time doing good things we get that time back, with interest (to continue the banking metaphor) To me, time is not something to fear, but something to cherish. The word cheat seems to imply it is just a game, but one in which the cards are stacked against us. I didn't make those rules and I refuse to play by them.
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@zed_k4 (17624)
• Singapore
1 Oct 09
Interesting take on this, drannhh. First of all, hello to you as always and you are always welcome to my newer discussions; it's been awhile since we last interacted. Your views are definitely founded. Speaking of cheating time, in a funny way, I too, believe in it. Sometimes I find myself like having 40 hours for that particular day and on other days, a short 20 hours, LOL. Maybe it's our emotions and feelings. I refuse to play by those rules too; and just do it as it is. I only wish for happy days to last more, ha. Take care, hon..
@derek_a (10897)
1 Oct 09
If something has happened to you, it is your karma (fate) for it to have happened. It doesn't become fate until is happens, because nobody can 100% know the future - we can only assess it. So if it has already happened, then it is your fate. How can you cheat something that has already happened. The answer is that you cannot cheat what is so... - Derek
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@derek_a (10897)
1 Oct 09
As a Zen practitioner, I would say that is a matter of what mayhappen in the future, but because the future does not yet exist, it is not 100% certain. Maybe 99.9% certain, but not 100%. To me, fate is a possibility, but a belief in it, can make it more certain, but not absolutely certain. That means we need to take care of what we believe. Personally, I train my mind not to believe anything... Do excuse my crazy Zen thinking! Good discussion... - Derek
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@zed_k4 (17624)
• Singapore
2 Oct 09
Interesting take on this. I'm a firm believer in fate and destiny as well. I try t train myself not to think about what the future would be but sometimes my instincts tell me one thing and things become another, LOL. I can't rely on my gut instincts in this sense. A thing which has happened is fated to be so; that one I agree as well.
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@derek_a (10897)
2 Oct 09
Yes, that is true and one thing that has been discovered is that even the best psychics and clairvoyants are not 100% accurate all of the time, so gut instinct and intuition cannot be relied on. Maybe as we evolve, these abilities will improve greatly, but that is not right here and now, and that is all we have.. - Derek
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@bellis716 (4804)
• United States
1 Oct 09
In do not believe in predestination. However so many people do believe in it, at least to some degree, that the idea has become part of our culture.
@zed_k4 (17624)
• Singapore
2 Oct 09
So when things go wrong in life, what do you call it? I'm just curious.. your views are respected. Thanks for your time..
@bellis716 (4804)
• United States
2 Oct 09
Usually, I just take the blame and go on from there. Actually, it depends on the circumstances.
@zed_k4 (17624)
• Singapore
5 Oct 09
Sometimes things depend on circumstance a lot..
@slickcut (8141)
• United States
1 Oct 09
Well i will give you my opinion ...If you believe in the Bible, which i always say that because so many don't but i do..There is a scripture in the Bible that Jesus ask the people "why die before your Time?????So this is my feelings...There is a time to be born & a time to die...but we can act foolishly & take chances that are not nessacery and cause you to die before your time....Example if i go out here & say get drunk, get in a car & drive reckless, then i am taking my life in my own hands...We have a free will, and God will not cross that, but if we do right & do not take all kinds of chances & always put ourselves in Harms way, then we will die when we were meant to..If not we can die before it is our time....
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@zed_k4 (17624)
• Singapore
1 Oct 09
I agree when you say that when we do not care about our own safety and endanger ourselves kind of thing. We have to always try our best to be safe and all that; and if we endanger ourselves, it can even be fatal like in the case of reckless driving. But a very healthy jogger can also die from heart attack because it's his or her time to go. There's a fine line there.. thanks for your time, slick..
@hagirl (1296)
• United States
2 Oct 09
I believe in God and so my outcome has already been planned. He knows what I am going to do or say everyday. He even knows when I am going to die and what from. I do believe that with all my heart.
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@zed_k4 (17624)
• Singapore
5 Oct 09
In a way, it's like believing in fate. I am with that too..
@fan_philo (231)
• India
1 Oct 09
I belive fate and destiny are in the hands of god so u cannot change wht is going to happen to u but u have to face it with courage thats all i can say .
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@zed_k4 (17624)
• Singapore
2 Oct 09
Very well said; my exact sentiments too..
• United States
1 Oct 09
Yes, I do think that everyone can make their own situations better, with more education & know how. However, unless you actually have a guardian angel right there by your side, I do Not think that anyone can or actually has the real power to controll how their end will be or when it will eventually occur. That is in your own personal blueprints & all up to God. If yor meant to leave the earth, then you will leave....but I also believe that a lot of this also depends of how you have personal treated others who have come into your own life as well. Hopfully I have help to answer your question. Thanks for sharing. :)
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