Obama and Afghanistan

@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
October 7, 2009 8:34am CST
While I agree with Prs. Obama that he shouldn't rush into any decisions about his policy concerning Afghanistan, didn't candidate Obama tell us that he DID have a plan? What happened to that plan? He has supported the war in Afghanistan, but now he seems to act like it's the first he's ever heard of it.
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• United States
7 Oct 09
That is because he told us he had a plan....but didn't. When on the campaign trail they will say they have a plan for everything. But in case it shows how disorgainzed they are. Obama has a majoirty in congress. He could get just about anything he wants passed. But not only does he not have his act toghether....but neither does congress. Good thing for the rest of us...bad thing for them.
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@grammasnook (1871)
• United States
7 Oct 09
If I am not mistaken what Obama had said during his campagne was that he was going to be talking to Pakastan to get the permission and help from them to get Bin Ladan and if he had to he would go into Pakastan and find him himself if they did not work with him. Not exact words but I believe that was the gist of it. He believes he is in Pakastan and not Afghanistan. The war in Afghanistan is not a winnable war many lives have been and many lives will continue to be lost. We havent done it in 8.5 years it just isn't going to happen, we will be there forever trying to stop them from doing things. I am positive that all the generals and so forth that are over there fighting this war want to think they have the answer to end this, throwing more young men at the problem has not proven to do a damn thing. How do you fight the enemy when they are mixed in with the citizens? These poor men do not know who their enemies are. After all they all look the same now ask me why all these soldier come back home with PTSD so severe they can not close their eyes at night? NOBODY WILL EVER FIND THE ANSWER BECAUSE THE ANSWER IS NOT TO BE HAD.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Oct 09
It's certainly unwinnable if the Commander In Chief has no plan or definition of victory. In fact, he said that he has no interest in victory.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Oct 09
If that is the case, he should have the integrity to admit it... but then again, I don't think he has the intergrity to do that. He has been Commander in Chief for 9 months now. In that time, he did send thousands of troops to Afghanistan. What was the reason for that deployment? If he isn't sure what he wants to accomplish there, why did he send more troops? Al Qaeda has made it clear that they are going to kill at will, until someone stops them. If we don't stand up to them, we deserve to end up at the bottom of the rubble of our buildings.
• United States
8 Oct 09
Ted, You of all people know that he may have well ( giving him the benefit of the doubt here ) had a plan while he was a canidate but until he was became president he was not privy to all the information that was given to him. Now it is time to regroup and try to figure it out. Will he come up with some kind of plan who knows. Is victory when we get Osama? There are parts of al quada all over the world so how can you ever have a victory? We knock out one cell that is known and several cells turn up that we dont know. Like I said to try to declare victory on such a war is impossible. This is just something that we will have to agree to disagree with.
@Bluepatch (2476)
• Trinidad And Tobago
7 Oct 09
Hey, guys, haven't you ever gotten accustomed to politicians ? They talk and talk and talk and when they get in and find out all they can they change their minds and we the populace will never know the real reasons why. As the leader in power now he could have information and facts he did not have before and maybe, just maybe, he cannot reveal these things to the public. I'm also sure this was the case with the former leader George Bush. Remember that, too !
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Oct 09
Absolutely, and I have written about that very concept. However, he didn't just adapt his plan to fit the new information, nor did he come up with a new plan all together. He has no idea even what he wants to accomplish there... and he's the only person on earth who is supposed to know that.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
7 Oct 09
You know, I don't hold this against him as much as some others might. I was one of the many (not enough of us, obviously) who knew Obama was bluffing on almost everything he said. Maybe it's because I'm extremely cynical, but I chose to judge Obama by evidence other than he himself presented. I do this for everyone. You could liken it to a prisoner, I suppose: they're ALL innocent. If you listen to them, you'd have to let them out. To me, it's the same for a politician. They're ALL pure and nobel and just trying to help if you ask them. This is why it is VITALLY IMPORTANT to look into someone's past, look at who they surround themselves with, and look at their voting record and everything else that you would want to know about someone long, long, long before giving them any sort of power, much less the Presidency of the United States. (Note to uber-sensitive Obama fans: I'm not trying to say Obama is a criminal in my analogy lol) I wasn't the least bit surprised when Obama couldn't close GITMO. I was 99.9% sure that he was trying to rally that particular base. I'm not the least bit surprised that not only Obama, but NO ONE in Congress (in the sense of having power to pass measures) had any legitimate plan to get us out of recession, so they outsourced the world's biggest spending bill to special interest. And I'm definiltely not shocked that Obama has no Afghan plan. However, I would think his supporters would be a little deterred. I don't think it's a good thing for voting Americans that Obama is proving to be another schmuck politician when he billed himself as the candidate of hope and change.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Oct 09
By this standard, Obama fails miserably on all accounts.
• United States
7 Oct 09
Yes. Obama the man vs. Obama the hype is one of the most colossal failures of all time. I say that has to be the only logical standard to judge, because it's the only available, and that equals unequivocal failure, no matter how much spin is applied.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
7 Oct 09
In my opinion, Obama told the people what they wanted to hear to get elected. And the people, knowing how much is at stake, WANT to believe, will go to great pshychological lengths, to believe he meant every word of it. The possibility of him NOT having our best interests at heart are just to frightening to contemplate for most.
@vopols (204)
• Philippines
8 Oct 09
Good ay to you parated I don't think Obama doesn't have a plan for Afghanistan. I guess he had a plan but is kept as a very controversial matter. We all know what's with Afghanistan right some said it is the place were the 9/11 mastermind is hiding somewhere in it's cave. But somehow I began to wonder with the technology of the United States why is it that they are unable to capture this criminal OSAMA? Is osama a very powerful individual or is just so tricky to get? If the US government headed by pres Obama wouldn't be able to capture this mastermind then I can say we will just prepare ourselves for an upcoming mass destruction that will occur.
@flydanman (111)
7 Oct 09
Barack Obama is governing in a way that John Kerry campaigned - they both insist that they have a plan but cannot give any information on that plan. This is typified for Obama in nearly everything that he campaigned on. Closing Guantanamo Bay, that's great, but Obama has no plan on what to do with the prisoners once the detention center is closed. Healthcare - Obama constantly told us that he had a plan to reduce healthcare costs, but now he's left the bill up to Congress to compose (and get wrong). What happened to Obama's plan there? Climate Change - Cap and trade has fallen by the wayside, perhaps because of the corruption that resulted in Europe from a similar scheme. Indeed, in Europe it hasn't reduced carbon emissions, it merely sent them elsewhere. The UK's emissions may have "fallen" but that's because they've sent their manufacturing overseas. If you included the carbon produced in goods that were consumed in the UK, emissions would have risen by over 17%. The Obama presidency is going to be the biggest political anticlimax of the 21st Century. With so much promise, that promise has evaporated in a matter of months because of what Republicans said would happen: Obama and Democrats would push for a very leftist policy agenda. The stimulus package is a case in point.
@wmraul (2552)
• Bucharest, Romania
7 Oct 09
I love this scenario: "Hey, guys ! Let's let this sucker, Obama, to run for and win presidential elections. We have OUR people in key position and anyway he know next to nothing of what he is talking about .. There are implications in any decision against the path we choosed time a go so any plan he might have (which is doubtfully he have ..), he will fail miserably. And we will help him to fail, but from underground. People need to think they want a change, let's give'em a change .. Obama can't change in fact nothing because he will bang his head against the walls we build for so long now and also we will put outside pressure on him .. like that sith "where have you born" .. hahahahahaha Then next elections public won't trust him or democrats again .. for long tome hahahahahaha" My dear ParaTed .. THIS is how politics works. Everywhere. USA, Great Brritain or .. Romania.