How Do I Protect My Grandson?

United States
October 8, 2009 10:49am CST
Usually we post topics on here to get responses for money, but this time I am in a real quandry. My son and his wife are very young, he is 20 and she is 19. They have two children already and it seems like they are stressed out beyond belief. My son is very hard on the oldest child, 18 mos old. He yells and spanks him too hard. His wife is a little better but she screams at him all the time and uses profanity. They have been living with us for a couple of months now and my grandson runs to me all the time. Just last night as soon as he got out of his bath he ran straight to me and did not want to go to either of his parents. And though I spoil him a bit dont think that I let him get away with murder, I have spatted his hand when he reached for something dangerous or was hitting the window. I just do not scream at him. They are preparing to move out and I really do not know the best way to make sure the kids are taken care of. There are other small things too, like not hearing the children at night when they cry. I hate the idea of calling social services or trying to take the kids from them, truth be told I dont want to raise kids all over again. What would you do? Am I just interfering?
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@Arkie69 (2156)
• United States
8 Oct 09
One thing is for certain. If parents won't take care of their kids Then someone else must. I say the kids are your grand kids and you have every right to do what ever it takes to see to it the kids are safe and raised in a home the way they should be. Just because these two young people are feeling trapped or the kids cramp their style a little does not justify them being mean to the kids. There are laws to prevent this kind of thing so use them and stop the abuse of the kids. Take my word for it, you don't want to stand by a small grave and cry for one of your grand kids. In this kind of situation this can happen much too easy. Art
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• United States
9 Oct 09
How well I know it. It is in the news all the time. You know I thought nothing was harder than raising my own kids... but this is ten no 100 times more difficult. You feel so helpless.
@Arkie69 (2156)
• United States
9 Oct 09
Tell me about it. I have 2 Daughters, 4 Grand Daughters and 6 Great Grand kids. Every generation gets harder. A lot of it is because of the attitude people are developing. A lot of young parents are only concerned about what they want. It's a lot of fun getting the kids but when it comes to them raising their kids the way they should they just don't measure up. I have a Grand Daughter and a Great Grand Daughter and a Great Grand Son that lives with me. I am very concerned about the two little ones. It seems their Mother is more concerned about her friends, her stupid cell phone and wasting money than she is with the well fare of the kids. The kids are simply being taught by two many different sources. It is much too easy for our kids to exchange information with too many different people. This will get worse with time and the innocent little ones will be the ones to suffer for it. More neglect and more abuse. Art
• United States
8 Oct 09
That's a tough call, you don't want to interfere but you don't want to see the mental and physical abuse escalate to a point where the child feels defeated and doesn't want to excel in life. I would talk to your son, he needs to be a man even though he is young age should not matter. I would let the grandchild know that you love him and he can always come to grandma for some unconditional love. I would try to take care of the problem before they leave, other people around them might not be as privy to what has been going on and will have a knee jerk reaction and call authorities and then you will be raising children again. I'll pray that God gives you the words to say and that your son listens with an open heart. A good book for him to read would be Wild At Heart by John Eldridge.
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• United States
9 Oct 09
Thank you fiddleplayer, prayers may be the best thing at the moment. I am going to talk to them one more time and pray that something sinks in, they move out monday. The good news is they are moving into an apartment complex and a close friend of mine lives there as well.
@cutepenguin (6431)
• Canada
8 Oct 09
Does your son see a problem? Maybe he just doesn't know how to handle his kids and could benefit from a parenting class.
• United States
9 Oct 09
I dont know for sure... After the blow up..(and yes when he spanked the baby so hard I lost it) he came back in and we sat down to talk. I explained to him that any striking of a child under the age of two in our area is considered abuse legally. I was trying to point out that if he continued they could actually lose their children but IDK if it stuck or not.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
9 Oct 09
I actually think that a parenting class is a great idea! If the parents can be talked into taking one..I bet they really would benefit from it.
@Bluepatch (2476)
• Trinidad And Tobago
8 Oct 09
You have to think about the child. His parents are grown people and if they are so irresponsible as to behave that way towards their children then the children are the ones to receive the greatest consideration. If the social services in your country do a good job of taking care of kids then you should report this to them. If the child stands a better chance of getting a good upbringing with the social services then you have a real responsibility to report this. Abuse will get the child nowhere and lead to a destroyed life.
• United States
9 Oct 09
Unfortunately social services and foster homes are a crap shoot around here. You may get a great one and you may get a worse situation. It is hard to tell. I know they have been begging for foster parents for several years. I do know what abuse can do to a child and I am on the verge of doing something drastic.
@carrine (2743)
• Philippines
9 Oct 09
whew. its a tough situation really to both parties. i understand your point that you just want to protect your grandson. and now that their leaving or moving out from your house, you cannot protect anymore your grandson. for me, let them move out. and see things if its work. if not thats the time that you have to get your grandson since their hurting the baby.
• United States
13 Oct 09
This is what we are doing. hopefully being in a less stressful environment will help them be calmer. But grandma will be watching.
@carrine (2743)
• Philippines
13 Oct 09
hahhaha... yeah good luck to the grandme. :P
• Philippines
8 Oct 09
Something has to be done before something worst happens. Your son and his wife are treating their kids bad in front of you what more can they do if you are not around? Who would stop them from hurting and punishing their kids brutally? I believe no matter how hard headed are the kids, no one has the right to hit them bad. Parents should have limitations. Age is not an excuse, they really have a problem. I think you should talk to them sincerely and seriously, they need help and psychological counseling. These things should not be taken for granted. We are talking about the safeness and welfare of the kids. If you don't see any changes after talking to them better give them ultimatum, kids have right. They can be put to jail by abusing their kids. I pity those kids especially if you allow your son to move without solving the issue first. Who can they run to if they need help? It is not right to put and blame all their miseries and problems to the kids, I think that is what they are doing. If these things continue and unresolve, you don't have a choice but to either send the kids to social service or take responsibility of them until such time that the parents are ready to take care of their kids, until such time that they admit and realize the wrong things that they are doing.
• United States
9 Oct 09
And you have hit on the fear that keeps me up at night! As far as keeping them from moving out there is nothing I can do about that. Legally they are able to do what they want. I dont know how much good at this point social services would be because there are no marks on the kids.... it would be my word against theirs. I plan to watch ever closely and stay in contact with the kids daycare. That is the one thing I did finally convince them to do, both boys are in funded daycare and you can bet if they notice anything out of the ordinary they will turn it in.
• Philippines
9 Oct 09
It is good that you convinced them to send their kids to day care. I guess all you can do for now is to keep a close eye on the kids. I hope things get well. Good luck.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
9 Oct 09
In our country , there is a rule that the permissible age for marriage is 21 for boys and 18 for girls.THose days of child marriage have gone.Your discussion has shown why this rule is very important. THe parents themselves are children in my opinion [though they are adults in the physical sense of the term their maturity levels would not allow them to show the gentle care and devotion that their little children would demand].I wish thta you were able to help and it is natural thta you are concerned.I pray the situation resolves smoothly.But my heart goes out to those grandchildren of yours.
@jennysp8 (855)
• United States
8 Oct 09
I have two children. 6 and soon to be 8. My daughter always runs to grandma before me - it's a grandma thing - usually nothing to do with being fearful of the parents. I will agree though - it seems that they are a little immature for parents. You have many problems here though. If you call Children services, there is a chance that you wouldn't get the kids and they would end up in foster care (as a temp situation until the parents take anger management and parenting classes most likely). Would the kids be in a good foster home or one that is worse than the home they have with their parents? Be careful with that decision. Also, you have the issue of being alienated from the grandchildren should you step in too soon. You certainly do not want to miss out on a relationship with your grandchildren - if for nothing else - simply to keep a "close eye". Another thing, as the parents grow older, they will mature (hopefully) and once they have their own place, things may calm down for them. Do you think maybe there is stress or tension in the house because you all live together? Not saying you are doing anything - but typically - parents want to raise their children in their own home. For whatever reason (I'll assume financial) they had to live with you. They really haven't "had their own" yet in regards to their little family. Allow them to move out with the kids and see if things get better. Offer to babysit on the weekends. This will give them some "free time" and it will allow you to monitor the children a little. I will say that what you consider "spanking too hard" may not be what other parents consider spanking to hard. Of course, none of us where there. Just give it some time and remember, they may be your grandchildren - but they are not YOUR children. Trust that you raised your son right and that he is going to be a fine father once they finally are able to start living their own lives. Living with parents and (parent-in-laws) is EXTREMELY stressful - even if there isn't any "real" issue going on. Let them be parents. They may not raise their kids how you would raise them, but that's why they had the kids and not you. Now, with that said, you start noticing that the kids are starving, not being clothed, wandering down the street alone, or coming over to your house with black and blue marks all over their bodies- then by all means - pick up that phone and call for help fast. Until that happens, let them be the parents and enjoy being the grandma that gets to spoil the kids... :)
• United States
9 Oct 09
You have hit on everything that I was thinking. Yes their problems are financial and i too have wondered about if the living situation was part of the problem. They just got an apartment close yesterday and will be moving in shortly. I plan at this point to drop in unexpected and watch everything very closely. You know the thing about them not being my children is something that has weighed heavy on me, you are right and I keep telling myself that but at the same time I think dang that aint the way to do it... lol. The spanking left fingerprints through his clothes and diaper... they did not bruise but it is a wonder. Thanks for your advise.
• Germany
9 Oct 09
Hi, shewolf. This is not interferance, you are worried because you concern and love your grandson. Personally, i think your son and daughter in law do not know how to handle the kids, and for me, they are very young parents. Perhaps going to parenting class can solve the problem, they learn how to talk to the kids and listen to the kids, instead of yelling at them. Also, you can buy the parenting books for them for reference. I read a lot of parenting books and find the information from the internet. I gained a lot of knowledge from these and i'm learning to be a good mother. We are not borned to be good parents, we all need to learn. So, i believe your son and daughter in law needs some knowledge about this. Have a nice day and happy mylotting.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
9 Oct 09
Maybe you could sit the two down before they move out and tell them what concerns you. Don't talk to them in way that makes them feel defensive but be as though that you have been there an understand how they might be overlooking a few important things. Discuss how they feel and tell them that you would like to see them work on their patience and voice levels when dealing with the child. Let them know what you see. Sometimes people don't realize how they are being until they are called out on it. I would suggest parenting classes and if they don't want to do that then just offer your help. If worse comes to worse and they deny your worries then you might have to do something a little more drastic.
@mesuaky (397)
• Singapore
8 Oct 09
hi shewolf, well one way or another you have to act on it. i hate to say this but right niw they may still be light on the child as they know you are still watching them but i hate to think that your grandchilderen will end up as battered child. and 18 monsth old child is so helpless to an 20 years old guy. come to think about it your son is not even in that right age to be able to stay on their own. you can actually tell them not to move out, if they still do you need to tell him the wrong ways on how he is raising his kids, my question now is that was your son raised the same way? if not then you should tell him off his face. you are still his parent no matter what. you may not have 100% rights over your grandkids but you still have 100% rights over your own child. if things really get out of hand, i do advice you to call for help. no kid has to suffer such brutality.
• United States
9 Oct 09
Well where I live I can not force them to stay in my home. He is of legal age and married to boot. My son got spankings, but never a bruise to his behind....and he probably remembers the spankings however what he is failing to realize is that he was in school by the time he got spanked and only for serious and I mean dangerous activities. If it doesnt get better I am afraid that is exactly what I will have to do, call for help.
@bird123 (10632)
• United States
9 Oct 09
A how to book never comes with kids. Sometimes young parents can get lost at what to do. This can result with bad actions. Maybe now is the time to start coaching them while you have them. Frank and simply talk can show them a better way. Contrary to popular belief, Good parenting ends up being lots less work.
• United States
13 Oct 09
Sooo true! I think this is exactly what is happening. I am praying that things get better for them. At the moment they are talking about his wife getting a job and i will have them at night. Between that and the school perhaps they will have the time to grow up a little and see the error of their ways.
• United States
8 Oct 09
By no means would I say that you are interfering. You are just a concerned Grandma. I wish I could give you advice on what to do, but I would be torn in this situation. You want what is best for your grandchildren, but not necessarily at the cost of going to Social Services. That is understandable. Have you tried talking to your son and his wife? Would they be open to talking about this? And what is the chance of you convincing them to go to counsiling to get help for their problem? Maybe you could even offer to keep the kids while they got help, if they would agree to it. Then, when they have changed their ways they take the kids back. As I said, I wouldn't really know what to do in your situation, but I don't think that you are interfering by caring. Best of luck to you!
• United States
9 Oct 09
We talked to her when the oldest child was an infant about the fact that she never heard him at night. She started bawling and said maybe she should give him away! I think she was sincere in her pain, but not a very mature way of looking at it. And we were being nice too, we sat her down and said hun he is crying for an hour or better before you hear him and we are not mad but you need to know. I have suggested parenting classes to his wife for him especially but no movement yet. Thanks for your response.
• United States
30 Oct 09
I know it's hard but don't do social services unless you think the children's lives are in danger. They will survive spankings and yelling. I did. Don't get me wrong, I think you should be concerned, I believe a child should not be punished because the parent is angry, but because they have misbehaved. The best advice I can give you is to ask your son and dil, why they yell so much at the children. Then ask them how they would feel if a policeman pulled them over for speeding then proceded to scream at them, "what are you doing, why where you speeding,are you stupid or what, etc." Ask them to imagine how they would feel especially if other people were in the car. Wouldn't they just want to take their punishment nicely. "you were speeding, i'll have to give you a ticket" Or what if they didn't know what the punishment was, what if it was made up at the officer was screaming at them. Children need to know the punishment they will receive for misbehaving.The other possibility is are they seeking attention from their parents. Children will take what they can get. But mostly ask why they don't enjoy their children. The last thing I will say is this is not about you or what you do or do not want. You have an obligation to your grandchildren and if that means raising them consider yourself blessed. It will be hard but you can do it
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
9 Oct 09
shewolf do go to social services as a child of 18 months is much too young to be spanked at all.this is child abuse ,go to Childrens protective services, son or no son,he is out of control, they both sound too young to be raising babies and you'do know this. They cannot even provide for themselves and you are caring for all of them. this is a bAd situation'and I fear for a 18 month old child who is spanked hard because daddy is angry. this has to stop and you know this.If it is necessary and it might be those children will be put into a foster home or adopted out. you do realize something has to be done, those children are too little to be treated like that. If the parents could be sent to parenting classes and prove that they can care for their children without abusing them they could get them back but please do get help from social services.
@bing28 (3795)
• Philippines
9 Oct 09
We grandparents could really feel the pain for our grandchildren. Our children misunderstood us sometimes of our love and care for their children. Screaming at grandchildren really breaks my heart that's why I don't tolerate my daughter doing it, I advice her not to do it, instead talk to the children nicely explain to them whats right and wrong and they will listen. Good my daughter also listen to me. How much more seeing them being spanked or hit. We could do whatever is rigt in raising the kids no matter what they say, until they change their attitude and eventually follow. Perhaps the young parents are quite troubled, you can pray to God however, to bless them that they would learn how to raise and love their children. Prayers solve our problems. Much better if the young couple woild love and fear God as well. It would then follow they would love their children and the children would love and respect them as well. Hope everything will be alright.