Issue 3: Casinos In OH- For or Against?

United States
October 15, 2009 5:42pm CST
The real question of this discussion is much deeper than that. Here in Ohio we have been battling for a good number of years to get a casino here. Its been put up to a vote several times in the past ten years, and I know for a fact for the last two. But every time its been voted down. Those that are for it have argued that putting a Casino here was common sense; there are Casinos in most of the surrounding states and Canada that Ohio citizens frequent, taking dollars that could stay in the state right out of here. A Casino would not only keep those dollars here, but pump even more money into the local economy and create jobs The past two years there has also been a campaign against the Casinos. I forget the name of the organization, but basically they put on commercials that downs every good aspect of the Casino. They state that jobs would be given to out of state experienced casino workers (like that many people would want to come here *eyeroll*), that it would get rid of other jobs (how does it do that) and the casino wouldn't have to pay taxes (Sure, that's what the State wants). But we have a vote in our favor. Turns out they have been falsifying a lot of the information in their ads (big surprise), and have had to appear in front of a judge on such matters. So, my true question to those who will be voting in this general election here in Ohio; with the current state of the economy, and in light of the legislation that the anti-casino people are now going through, will you be voting for Issue 3? Did you vote for it last year? If you've changed your mind either way, how come?
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• United States
16 Oct 09
I am totally against Casinos - #1, what jobs would a Casino create...Casino workers? That's just about it! And not everyone wants to work in a Casino. #2, they are absolutely right that out of state experienced Casino workers would get the jobs first! One of the companies I worked for was bought out by a big Corporation in Texas, and they sent people from other divisions of their corporation to run the company; they opened up quite a few positions, but those that got those positions were those from out of state...and they came with top, huge salaries, leaving the local people with the same pay that they were making before this Corporation got involved. Trust me, any company that has branches all over the country, will bring in their own people from those branches to start a new facility. I have seen it down a zillion times, even with local dept. stores. These new places may have created new jobs, but they are way down on the pay scale. When a new chain retail store opens up, who do you think becomes the store manager, and dept. managers...certainly not the local people...it is those whom have the experiences in their other stores. The basically get relocated to run it, leaving the local people with jobs like cashiering. And #3 reason, there is enough addictions going on in the country that our government has to provide funds for: rehab, counciling, and disability, welfare... when someone has a gamlbing addiction who do you think helps them when they have no money left....the government.
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• United States
18 Oct 09
I am totally against Casinos I respect your opinion, but that doesn't stop the millions of dollars taken out of our state to surrounding state casinos and Canada, giving them great schools and other benefits while we suffer. #1, what jobs would a Casino create...Casino workers? That's just about it! And not everyone wants to work in a Casino. Well, besides there being many different working parts to a casino, for some to be faced with a casino job or none, as is the case for 10% of the working population here, they would choose the casino. Second, the revenue brought in will revitalize surrounding areas for business, as the visitors will want places to eat, have other entertainment, shop, etc. These new businesses will also bring jobs that are sorely needed to Ohio. #2, they are absolutely right that out of state experienced Casino workers would get the jobs first! One of the companies I worked for was bought out by a big Corporation in Texas, and they sent people from other divisions of their corporation to run the company; they opened up quite a few positions, but those that got those positions were those from out of state...and they came with top, huge salaries, leaving the local people with the same pay that they were making before this Corporation got involved. I understand this, but I bring up again for people that are desperate for a job, they will take $7.35/hr over $0.00/hr. Also, wouldn't these new people be gaining experience in casinos, at least the ones that find they want to make a career out of it? Those that take their job seriously and go above and beyond would rise in the corporation all the time, and get the chance to travel to other casinos as well; then becoming the ones to train the new people in a casino in a new state. And #3 reason, there is enough addictions going on in the country that our government has to provide funds for: rehab, counciling, and disability, welfare... when someone has a gamlbing addiction who do you think helps them when they have no money left....the government. But don't these people have an addiction whether there is a casino local in their state or not? Gambling addiction is a sickness like all the rest, why shouldn't the government help in some capacity? Otherwise the sickness continues. These people already exist, even here in Ohio. They travel to the casino 20 minutes away, or even further to salve their habits. Why should that money have to go out of state until there is a problem realized? Also, we already have lottery here that people gamble on, and many illegal venues that people go to gamble on. A casino is a benign entity, it doesn't create gambling addicts, however unfortunately it does serve them. But the revenue that they will pump into the government and economy will more than help the small population of people that are gambling addicts.
@dragon54u (31638)
• United States
16 Oct 09
The unions have been pounding my mailbox with literature--high quality, glossy expensive stuff--that encourages me to vote for it. Based on that, I would ordinarily vote against it but I think it will be good for us. The opposition says there won't be jobs, that they will all go to imported workers. But that's still 30,000+ people coming to our state--buying homes, renting apartments and houses, buying groceries and other things and paying taxes. They'll eat at restaurants which will need more employees, shop at our stores which might hire more people, travel and spend their money here. That's a drop in the bucket but still more revenue for our state! The construction jobs will go to our people, at least. And I believe most of the casino jobs will, too. It's good for Ohio all the way around, in my opinion. We're sending millions to neighboring states when we could have that money to help our own state!
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• United States
18 Oct 09
The opposition says there won't be jobs, that they will all go to imported workers. But that's still 30,000+ people coming to our state--buying homes, renting apartments and houses, buying groceries and other things and paying taxes. They'll eat at restaurants which will need more employees, shop at our stores which might hire more people, travel and spend their money here. That's a drop in the bucket but still more revenue for our state! You know what? I thought this in the back of my head when it was first said, but didn't entertain that thought long as it was my thought that not many people from the big casino cities would want to come here lol. But maybe TruthPAC wants us to believe that these people will be commuting from Las Vegas to Ohio everyday?
@ZephyrSun (7382)
• United States
16 Oct 09
I'm so sick of the casino issue on Ohio's ballot. Don't we have anything else important to vote on? Have you seen that one commercial where they actually said that casinos will put "mom and pop" business' out of business? I moved to Ohio from Nevada and we had all types of small business some of them were right next to the casino and they didn't go out of business. I will be voting this year but, half of me wants to vote in the casino just so it will not continue to be an issue every year but, I really don't think that casinos would be good for Ohio unless they are union because out West most casino jobs are minimum wage.
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• United States
18 Oct 09
You know what? I agree. This is such a non issue that it should have been voted in a long time ago. But we live in a state of religious conservatives that have been fighting this from the word go. I really think that TruthPAC, the organization campaigning against the casinos, are a group of rich religious fundies here teamed up with representatives of the casinos from IN, WV, and Canada. I believe the union fight will have to be separated, because we have to get the casino okayed first. I think that can be done in the next general election, because it will take longer than a year to build these casinos. I understand your qualms about minimum wage, however even a bunch of jobs at this level would help the economy here greatly.
@scheng1 (24701)
• Singapore
16 Oct 09
At least you have a choice to vote for or against the casino. The Singapore government does not even let us vote. When they want the casino, they want not just one but two casinoes. Singapore is such a small country, you can drive across the island in an hour's time. Many of us wonder why two casinos? We have the gambling ships and boats departing from the harbor into the International waters every day. Now that the casinoes are almost ready, many people are taking up courses and training to work in the casino.
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• United States
18 Oct 09
I am sorry for your situation. There are many places here in the United States where casinos are very close to each other, but I cannot see why having two casinos in a place that only takes an hour to traverse is necessary. As you say, especially with the many gambling ships coming in and out of harbor. I hope that this does not put a depression in your lifestyle or economy over there. My prayers are with you.
@whyaskq (7531)
• Singapore
17 Oct 09
I hope this discussion is open to non-residents of Ohio. LOL. Personally I am for Casinos in a country as long as there are enough regulations to ensure that residents who went into the Casinos can afford to contribute to the coffers. Otherwise, the Casinos may churn out a country of gamblers, which is a much higher price to pay for. Casinos, I feel is a good source of revenue and a good avenue to create employment and should be a win-win for both the governors and residents.
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• United States
16 Oct 09
I don't live in Ohio but if I did I would vote for the casinos to be put there. I feel like it would bring more money into the state and would bring other people from other states there to play at the casino and they would spend more money in the state doing other things such as lodging, eating out, spending money at places like Walmart and such. I think it's a good thing and not a bad thing.
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@pcruz77 (452)
• Guam
15 Oct 09
We had the same thing here in Guam, three times it was put up on the ballots come voting time in November, and all three times, they lost. The businessman, actually went bankrupt, too. I laughed. but it was getting tiresome to the point where i didn't want to vote. I know many compulsive gamblers here who put up so much money in bets and cards, that they always lose. I was glad the casino was never put into the ballot, imagine it did happen, these same people would have lost everything.
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