bush's iq estimated at 120...

Hi Jb. I suppose they tell more about academic intelligence than about how well a person is able to use it. And they are certainly not indicative of common sense. I'm a prime example of someone with a decent IQ who has done some of the most stupid things imaginable!

Here's a poser JB, have you checked to see if the IQ of an actual bush is higher than the IQ of the former president?

An IQ is a good indication of some things; of some particular requirements for particular jobs, but it is NO indication of far more important things like character or ethics, and no indication of good, sound, common sense or even of academic qualifications outside of that in the IQ test. I know people with an exceptionally high IQ. One is a classified genius. He is a very presentable person, socially accepted, humble and a pleasure to have in company. Others I know are boorish and can't even hold an intelligent conversation, at least not outside their particular interest. Too much emphasis is placed on IQ. Like ANY qualifications or talents, it depends on how they are used. The proof is in the pudding.

It actually is a measure of how "book smart" a person is. My dad who was a teacher used to work with kids who were genious or close to it.....above average. They were very different and had emotional issues. Some were mild and others were very extreme. I'm sure that not all those with high IQ's are emotionally disturbed but it is very common.

hi jb 78000 I think IQ has to be taken along with just plain common old common sense. I have known a lot of people ,even like myself with an IQ of 145, who still goof up at things that a person with an average IQ do perfectly. So that is just facet I think of a person's overall intellegence. I think personally that Bush was no smarter than a lot of just average people as a lot of times he did not use what my grandpa called horse sense, what I call common sense.Also he was the typical Wasp so he thought along those lines too. His weapons of mass destruction thing was a good example of that.

jb78000, IQ tests can measure intellegence but only in certain ways and there are different types of intelligence. Some people are good at quick thinking such as pattern recognition and shape visualization. Some people are good analytical thinkers and problem solvers, some are creatively smart, such as painters or interior designer. It's almost impossible to measure someone's intelligence because everyone grows up in different environments, and are exposed to different things. IQ tests can measure intelligence to a certain degree, but shouldn't define whether some is "smart" or not. It's the same with grades in high school. Just because someone makes good grades on their report card, doesn't mean that they're smarter than someone who made bad grades. It means that they worked harder, and were more prepared. For example, I barely passed high school, barely graduated. But when we took our IQ tests and similar tests such as CAT and SAT, I had some of the highest grades in the school because happen to do well on those types of tests. I have really quick pattern recongnition skills and reading comprehension, but I'm lazy and didn't liket to do my homework. :)

It's just a number that's some kind of an indication, somewhat useful, but only somewhat. but I want to know if Bush cheated...

There's a bit here lol. I had heard that junior was a much lower figure than 120, which was senior's IQ, and Clinton was at about 140. But who knows about what you hear in politics. IQ tests have failings, in that they don't measure anything to do with common sense or creativity, nor anything about ethics and morality, they are very much based on rational thinking only, and they certainly do rely on the subject having a reasonable education (which is why a lot of minority groups perform poorly), but in what they do test for they seem to be pretty accurate. The potential for academic excellence can very much be measured with some confidence, for instance. The most important thing about them is that they measure the depth at which we think. An average IQ means that the subject goes maybe one level below the surface, a 185 IQ and they go many levels down. The more levels of complexity one can understand, the better qualified one is to make decisions about the issue in hand. Of course the problem with this is that the more levels we can see, the more we are forced to consider conflicting factors and evidence, making conclusions that much harder. IQ doesn't seem to have a lot to do with concrete economic success. Mine puts me in the top 0.1% of the population, but on any concrete assessment I have not been a spectacular success in life. On the other hand, the hugely successful people in the advances of human endeavour, the Einsteins. Hawkings, Maslows etc, have all had huge IQ results. Lash

Doh ! Estimated ? mwuahahahahahaha . maybe on mercalli or richter scale Or maibe they forgot to put "0." before the 120 .. IQ number is not always the most relevant number to can make a top of people ... Inteligence, cleverness, smartness, .. IQ is related to any of those but not determinant. I know somebody playing chess and beating anybody .. yet he couldn't do almost anything else .. when he understood that, he stopd playing chess. Because, you know, human need also creativity, for example ..

Hi Jb. What do they mean "estimated"??? Is it just the case that one of his crazy supporters has guessed this information? Considering what I've seen of him, I'd say he's the closest thing to the missing link the world has ever seen! However, if it is ever confirmed, I think it would stand as proof that IQ level is no indicator of true intelligence!

No I don't. There are many educated idiots out there. They have high IQs but can't negotiate the simple things in life. I think the Bill Clinton was actually one of the smartest President's we have had. He was a Rhodes Scholar and attended Oxford. But it takes more than high IQ - you have to be able to put that intelligence into action. How do you interpret and act on everyday things. Can you analyze complex situations. It's about so much more than an IQ score - although I do think a high IQ is important.