Is Maurice Clemmons Mike Huckabee's Willie Horton?

@anniepa (27955)
United States
December 1, 2009 3:05pm CST
Former Arkansas governor and GOP Presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee's political career may have been dealt a blow it can't recover from. Nearly a decade ago Huckabee commuted the sentence of Maurice Clemmons, the man suspected of killing four Lakewood, Washington police officers. Read the whole story here: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010385617_webmansought29.html What do you think? Should Huckabee be held responsible for allowing this killer to go free? He's been leading some recent polls for the 2012 GOP Presidential nomination but could it ever be possible for him to win a Republican primary after this? Annie
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
1 Dec 09
According to what I was reading on aol Bill O thinks that it isn't Huckabee's fault so I guess we have to go with Bill huh? LMAO
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
2 Dec 09
I think there's plenty of blame to go around in this case and Huckabee's is the least of it. I'm not sure what Bill O' would be saying if it were closer to the election and whoever he wanted to win the nomination were using it against Huckabee. Here is a link to an article with the comments made by some of his "own"; with friends like these, who needs enemies: http://washingtonindependent.com/69156/conservatives-hit-huckabee-for-cop-killer-clemency Annie
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
1 Dec 09
Bill is going after the judges who let him out on bail after he raped a 12 year old. There's nothing he hates more than people who let rapists walk free after their crimes and he's gone after republicans and democrats for it.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
1 Dec 09
I like Huckabee but, in all honesty this is partly his fault because he was the governor at that time. Mike is well known for his softness on crime, his is not the first person that he got out of jail early. One of the others murdered and raped a relative of Bill Clinton.
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
1 Dec 09
It would be ridiculous to hold Huckabee responsible. Why not hold this guy's father and mother responsible? Or his grandparents? What about white folks in general, since he's black, for brining his ancestors here? lol Makes no sense. The guy got in some serious, serious sht when he was only 16, and at the urging of some, including the parole board, Huckabee did what he did. "Commuted" doesn't mean Huckabee let him go. It means he allowed him to reach parole. So we're blaming the parole board, too? How about recently -- the judges that gave him low-ball bond for baby rape even given his incredible history of 8 or so felonies? Seems to me like this could have been avoided WITHOUT going back in the time machine. The here and now counts for something No, no. I got it. Let's blame evolution for humans even coming to pass. That's it! This post has to do with Huckabee being a Republican. Have some pennies.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
1 Dec 09
Hey, thanks! Pennies make dollars! I get the feeling this is a subtle hint that I'm unfairly attacking Mike Huckabee because he's a Republican. The truth is, while I disagree with his politics for the most part I happen to like Huckabee. I feel bad that this has happened to him and I have no doubt it's not something he'd ever have predicted or he wouldn't have commuted the sentence. The truth also is that it's his own party that's turning on him. My feeling is if he were to manage to make it through the GOP nomination process this would have little effect on his chances in the general. Annie
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• United States
1 Dec 09
I've read and replied to plenty of your posts. If I were going to call one "unfair," it wouldn't be this one. I just get this feeling that, if Huckabee wasn't suiting up to play ball against your team, this wouldn't have surfaced. And, to me, the last thing this is about is Mike Huckabee. There were a host of people who had a chance to keep this guy put away after Huckabee.
• United States
5 Dec 09
Liberal news media jumped on this as ammo against a republican.. but as you said a closer look at the facts shows the governor went along with many other's because of the age of the prisoner when he committed his crime, which still included a 47 year sentence, but once again liberal judges could not resist the temptation of letting a child rapist free on the streets (after all it's never their street these creeps roam).
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
1 Dec 09
I reviewed the case before this thread although that article mentions things that supposedly happened in court which were not part of his criminal record, ie he was never charged or prosecuted for attempting to grab a bailiff's pistol or attacking anyone in court. His crimes were theft and burglary at the age of 17 and he was sentenced for up to 95 years. Now I'm all about harsh sentences, but that's effectively a life sentence for a 17 year old. I only approve of that kind of sentencing when we're dealing with rape, murder, or attempted murder. Huckabee has done several interviews discussing this and stated that when the commutation was requested, the prosecuting attorney did NOT show up to argue against it and the judge who presided over the case recommended that his sentence be commuted. Beyond that it was the prosecutor's failure to properly file charges after a parole violation that lead to this psycho being on the streets again. I mean, how incompetent was this prosecutor that he didn't get an arrest warrant before arresting this guy for armed robbery? It took him three years which is beyond the statute of limitations in Arkansas. In the more recent events, you have to ask: Why in the he1l was this disgusting monster on the streets on bail after raping a freaking 12 year old in addition to all his other crimes? It's easy to play Monday morning quarterback on what Huckabee did 10 years ago, but we're living in the now and right now he should be in jail awaiting trial for other crimes and this one should have never happened.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
2 Dec 09
Taskr, we're actually in agreement here. Clemmons should have been in jail and these tragic murders should never have happened but not because of Huckabee. I think I'd have done the same thing as Huckabee did and I personally don't think this should be held against him. It's people on the right like Michelle Malkin who will try to destroy him. Annie
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
1 Dec 09
Thanks for the detailed account, Fox News said it was 108 years but, didn't go into what you did.
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@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
2 Dec 09
The two incidents cannot be even remotely compaired on a practicle level. Willie horton was given a furlough, litteraly permission to leave prison for weekends, even though the man was a murderer, convicted as an adult. The Maurice Clemmons case was that of a 16 year old kid, who was given what essentialy amounted to a life sentence, for a few robberies. Granted, still a serious crime, even for a young fella. What Huckabe did was commute his sentence that would alter his sentence to include parole, which he was granted a number of years later. I watched Governor Huckabe in an interview. You could see the agony in his face as he was owning up to his decision, something I greatly admire him for doing. He offered no excuses, didn't try to tap dance out of anything. He just said, I comuted his sentence and at the time it seemed the apropriate thing to do after cafefull consideration. He stated that he greatly regretted his decision. This will however haunt Hachabe, as anoter poster pointed out. Republicans will use it in the primnaries and if he should get the republican nomination, democrats will use it in the general elections. If the governor runs as an independant, both parties will use it in a double attack. I think ultimately the one reponsable is Maurice Clemmons. But it would have been prudent for the judges in the most recent case to set a more apropriate bail, one he could no tpossibly have gahterred up the money for, given the long record this guy had by this time.
@Rollo1 (16676)
• Boston, Massachusetts
1 Dec 09
The short answer is "yes, it will hurt him". It will hurt him in the way that the press and the opposition will attempt to capitalize on it in negative campaigning. Clemmons is "Willie Horton" in that respect only. The cases couldn't be more dissimilar. Horton committed his crimes while out on a furlough. Clemmons had his sentence commuted by Huckabee a decade ago. He wasn't on the streets because of Huckabee either. He was in custody on recent rape charges and the decision to release him was made by a judge. Given the guy's history, the decision to let him out on bail was a very poor one. I agree with a point in the article that Huckabee seems to be a very compassionate man. Funny, I thought liberals liked compassion. However, I am sure they would use this compassion against him. It appears that Clemmons had some mental problems and that for years his family had done their best to cover for him. It's a tragic case with a terrible ending. Yes, it's a liability for Huckabee, but his involvement will be blown out of proportion and the opposition will try to make him the responsible party when it doesn't seem that's entirely true.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
2 Dec 09
It's not liberals he has to worry about using it against him, Rollo, it's many on the right. I'M not "using it against him", I simply asked the question. I've alread written that I actually like Huckabee and his compassion is one of the things I like about him. If you don't like the Willie Horton comparison maybe you should take it up with Michelle Malkin! Annie
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
2 Dec 09
"He'll be held responsible for things that happened under his watch because unlike senators, governors have actual responsibilities..." ...and it should be noted that at least Huckabee lived up to his responsibilities and stayed in office for not just one but I think it was two WHOLE terms! Annie
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
2 Dec 09
In all fairness, I think it's likely that opponents on both sides may use it against him. Republicans may use it in the primaries and democrats may use it if he wins the nomination. As a former governor he'll have some of the same problems as Sarah Palin. He'll be held responsible for things that happened under his watch because unlike senators, governors have actual responsibilities.
• United States
1 Dec 09
Hi, Pat! It would certainly seem this is the case. Many Americans live in fear at all times, and incidents lie this make them want to keep every inmate locked up forever. They will inevitably blame the person responsible for allowing them to be released!
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