New immigration Bill to be introduced today
By lilwonders
@lilwonders456 (8214)
United States
December 15, 2009 9:15am CST
Well we knew it was coming. It is being reported that Luis Gutierrez (D., Ill.) will be introducing it today. That will offer a "path to citizenship" to all the illegals currently in this country. Once the bill is introduced I will definately be reading every word of it.
From what I can find out so far it will allow for a path to citizenship while NOT increasing the amount of money given to boarder security.
Are you going to read the bill? Are you in favor of immigration reform? PErsonally I would rather we just enforce the laws we already have. If they actually did that we would not have a few million poeple here illegally.But our government has not be enforcing them so therefore we now have this problem. This is NOT the first time our government has given "amnesty" to illegals and that did not solve the problem. It only made it worse.
Tell me what you think should be done about this HUGE problem.
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@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
15 Dec 09
It's sad, they would much rather put a border patrol check point in the middle of my damn state, 75 miles from the frikkin border instead of actualy at the border. We used to have a border crossing up north here, but they closed it for what ever reason (now I have to drive an extra 45 minutes to Vermont to cross).
As to the bill, who didn't see this comming? Honestly, we all knew it was. Anyway lil, is there a bill number to look up yet? Or has it not been posted on thomas or opencongress yet?
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
15 Dec 09
No it has not been formally introduced yet. I am keeping any eye on it. As soon as I have a bill number I will post it. It should be sometime today.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
17 Dec 09
Lil, I can't wait to see what this bill has to say as well. During the last 8 years our immigration policy was a complete job, while we sent national guard troops to the boarder, we did nothing to punish the corporations that hired the illegals. The fact is that conservatives can't deal with illegal immigration, so maybe the liberals can.
By the way, What president gave illegals "amnesty"?????
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
17 Dec 09
We don't need to close the board, we just need to stop giving them a reason to come here. If you keep the same amount of boarder guards as there are now, and just change the laws to put the CEO of any company that hires an illegal in jail for one year per illegal than the boarder will be "manageable" for our current staffing.
Problem solved.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
17 Dec 09
Ronald Reagan in 1986. We had roughly 4 million in the country then and they were given amnesty. YOu see how well that worked...not we have what 12 million here?
Amnesty is NOT the answer. Closing our boarders is. THat making it a HUGE felony for anyone to hire or rent to an illegal.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
16 Dec 09
Yes, I'm in favor of immigration reform and I'm absolutely in favor of those who are already here being given a "path to citizenship". I agree that we need to enforce our borders better but even more than the we need to clamp down on the employers who continue to hire illegal immigrants at much lower wages than they'd have to pay U.S. citizens for the same work. These employers are not only breaking the law by hiring illegals and not paying, in some cases, the legal minimum wage but also of getting out of paying taxes themselves. I'm afraid I don't see this as a "huge problem" in comparison to the many other problems we're currently faced with.
Annie
@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
16 Dec 09
Annie, I agree with most of what you said here. I agree companies should be heavily penalized for both breaking the law and for taking advantage of otherwise decent folks trying to make a living, as well as engaging in tax evasion. I take issue how ever with the granting a path to citizenship. This ammounts to nothing more than rewarding someone for breaking the law and breeching the security of the country. That being said, to engage in a massive round up of over 12 million people would be staggeringly difficut if not impossible. However, there are ocaisions when one could do it in mass numbers, such as those immigration protests that were so popular last year. Raids in segments of towns where there are large ilegal populations. some of those towns I mentioned have been nearly taken over by those who are here not only ilegaly, but openly so, and proud of it. there are areas in southern califronia where ilegals outnumber legal residents and these same ilegal residents honestly believe that portion of Caifornia belongs to Mexico, they are quite open about it.
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
16 Dec 09
I haven't read the bill just yet, but my take on the issue is that if you give amnesty every few years, it will only encourage more illegals to come into the country.
Now I'm not of the opinion illegals are bad. We have a lot of them in my town, and quite frankly they seem like good people - even if you can't understand a thing they say. However, it's not fair to those who scrape and save to come here legally to just give an easy path to citizenship to those who broke the rules and bypassed the laws to come here.
What can be done, really? You can't build a wall, it's too much money, with no guarantees it'll work. However, with the way our constitution is set up, you could make laws which put into practice a policy of not giving American rights, responsibilities, or privileges to illegals. No school, no taxes, no tax returns, no medical coverage - nada, which (I hope) would dissuade them from coming. Considering the hell hole state Mexico is in, though, I doubt it. They are entitled to what we consider "human rights", but the U.S. is under no obligation to give them American rights or privileges.
Another route we could take is to HELP our neighbor to the south to become more stable through policy changes in our own country, as well as giving military aid if asked for it. Of course, we have to clean up our country a bit first, and get our soldiers out of the middle east (heh- fat chance), but it's a start.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
16 Dec 09
The bill number is HR4321.
I agree we need to find a way to get them to stay in mexico and not come here. Which means helping them make their country more stable.
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@scottcoleson (579)
• Pilot Mountain, North Carolina
15 Dec 09
I am all for allowing people to come to this country as immigrants and become citizens of this great country, but I do not agree with them not giving more support to the security of the borders of our country. If you want to come to our country and live, that's great, but please do it legally. Illegal immigrants are breaking the law and our government is giving them a free pass, so to speak. It's okay to break the law. What kind of message is that sending to them? Many people will mention our long history of immigration from other countries, especially during the early 1900's, but what they fail to realize is that many of those individuals followed through with becoming American citizens; they weren't here illegally. If this bill does not uphold the law and Constitution of this country then it needs to be defeated, no matter who supports it or writes it!
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
15 Dec 09
I agree. I am all for legal immigration. But the illegals I have issues with. I also have issues with the government wanting to reward their criminal behavior by allowing them to become citizens. It sends the wrong message. It will also encourage more illegal immigration.
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
16 Dec 09
I am all for legal immigration. But not illegal immigration. If they can't come here the legal way then they don't need to be here.
They are breaking the law and the law should be upheld.
