Marriage Equality for ALL! NO ON PROP 8!
By AaronYLeung
@AaronYLeung (182)
United States
December 24, 2009 7:34pm CST
I was born and raised Christian. That says a lot right there. I was taught to stay away, but not necessarily hate the homosexuals. So as a grew up I used to laugh and make fun of the homosexual community without actually getting to know them. But when I grew older, I grew more tolerant of the gay community not because I have some gay friends, but also I got know more about them and how they live their lives. I got to see how they view life and I understood them more than before.
Yes, there are people who dislike the gay community and believe there should not be a gay marriage. But personally I think that church should not have a say in gay rights mainly because they are more biased. Separate church from state. YES, there are some people who dislike gays, but we should still be tolerant of them. I notice that there are people dont even tolerate gays I find that really sad. I also feel that nobody should have a say in whether gays should have a marriage or not. I dont care if you are religious or not. If you are religious, you should still respect other people rights because you have to know and accept the fact that there are other people who think differently.
Let me just say that I find it funny that there are people who want others to accept them for their beliefs but at the same time they dont tolerate others and their beliefs. I find that really sad and pathetic.
So what do you guys feel? Lets start a big long discussion! =]
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5 responses
@allknowing (130070)
• India
25 Dec 09
It is only because of the gay community having raised their voice to recognise their relationship and give them privileges that normal married people enjoy that there has been a hue and cry about their status. As long as they remained dormant no one talked about them and distancing them was a personal choice which we all do from anyone and not necessarily only from gays. Marriage is for procreation and the privileges enjoyed by normal couples need not be passed on to gay couples. This is the bone of contention and it will remain in the minds of people for a long time to come.
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@allknowing (130070)
• India
25 Dec 09
None of us have the right to look at them with a jaundiced eye but claiming equal rights with the 'normal' couple is something that I cannot agree on.
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@AaronYLeung (182)
• United States
25 Dec 09
Its interesting the way you put it. I didnt think of it that way before. Thats interesting...
Well its a good thing they raised their voices. They finally did. Its about time the gay community felt proud and should not be distance between people. Its about time this issue was heard. Before we noticed the issue but it was not "heard" until now.
Thank you for your response! =] Merry Christmas!
@AaronYLeung (182)
• United States
25 Dec 09
I used to think that way too. Trust me. I live with my overly religious parents (who i love dearly =] ) who raised me like that. But we all have our own opinions. I totally respect your. Thanks for sharing! =]
@britt_200 (1226)
• United States
26 Dec 09
O you opened a can of worms with this one. I stood up to one person a while ago on their discussion about gay hate, and people attacked me! I lost stars, and people were deleting me as a friend. I admire the way you wrote this. It was very nicely written. I really just hope people can open their minds and see your side without criticizing and offending you. No one has to be rude to you for your opinions. Personally I agree with you, but as i found out there are A LOT of people on here that will disagree and be rude about it.
@britt_200 (1226)
• United States
26 Dec 09
ME too and this is what this discussion really comes down to. People opening their mind to a different lifestyle. It has been around for a long time! People just chose to ignore it! Now that theyre standing up for their rights its like people have to try and shut them down again by being rude, and hateful. I can debate, and talk to people about gays and gay marriage but as soon as people start hating, thats when i stop. There's no reason for hatred, and i dont stand for that. They use God as their excuse to hate. thats what i cant stand!
@AaronYLeung (182)
• United States
26 Dec 09
I know right? I mean everyone has their own opinions. If you have a different opinion you dont have to be rude about. Its just a discussion, not an argument. Even if it was a debate, if you are rude, nobody will listen to you. And YES there are a lot of rude people out there.
I was trying so hard to write this as nicely as possible without trying to offend anyone but still get my point across. I also hope people can just open their minds up, I dislike how people are taught to be closed minded and not tolerate people who are different.
@EvanHunter (4026)
• United States
25 Dec 09
The church didn't vote the people did. I think that the majority voted and that's what matters. Saying that because people have religious beliefs means they shouldn't participate in politics is no different than the discrimination of the homosexual community claims against them. This is a democratic society and the majority does get to vote on most issues. Being tolerant doesn't necessarily mean that any group has the right to make laws that goes against the majority's beliefs. If the minority had rights that superseded the majority than it wouldn't be a democracy now would it? BTW I am not Mormon or Catholic either.
@AaronYLeung (182)
• United States
25 Dec 09
Yes, the church itself did not vote, the people did. You are correct. HOWEVER, most of the people who voted against the gay community ARE religious. The MAJORITY were religious people, which makes it BIASED. That was my point.
I see your point when you mention about the people with religious beliefs. I never thought of it that way. HOWEVER...both parties are being discriminated against. Because through MY point of view I am, like you said, discriminating against religious people. But through the religious peoples' point of view, they are actually discriminating against homosexuals.
What I was saying was that if the religious (specifically Christians) were taught to love people, they should be neutral because, EVEN THOUGH, the bible says its wrong, they still shouldnt limit their rights.
Everyone has their own opinions.
Thank you for sharing yours! =]
@AaronYLeung (182)
• United States
25 Dec 09
Im not saying to throw their votes out. Im just saying that the majority of the voted were religious people because they go overly crazy and votes nowadays are not done efficiently. There are a lot of gays out there and a lot more people who are more tolerant of them in the current time than back then. Its only those overly religious people who go crazy over the voting time to vote against it. I am not saying to necessarily THROW the votes out. I am just voicing out my opinion how wrong it is that they are limiting their rights. I am also implying that the voting stage is done efficiently because Ive been around and I know there are a lot of people who just keep voting and voting on 1 thing.
Yes this is a demoncracy and the majority gets to vote. But nowadays people are more liberal. Im not saying i am liberal, I am conservative.
Thanks for the response! =]
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
25 Dec 09
Um, your a little late aren't you? The California ballot proposition 8 vote was last year and it did pass. But, that's an issue for the folks in California, so I guess it's up to them what they define marriage there It's their state and marriage is after, all a state controlled issue. The proposition amended California's state contitution so it's pretty much set in stone. The only way to reverse it now is to maybe get it on the ballot again in the next round of elections out there.
@AaronYLeung (182)
• United States
25 Dec 09
haha I know its so late. But it was just to put in the title. But yea, I will see if I can do anything to change it somehow or just to get the word of tolerance out there because it sucks to see there are a lot of mean people out there.
Thanks for the response! =]
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
25 Dec 09
If I had one wish I wouldn't waste it on world peace. I'd want everybody to be tolerant of EVERYBODY else. This means no more hate BECAUSE of differences, no more converting, no more people claiming right and wrong. I wish....
I believe every single human who is born is equal, no better or no worse than anybody else alive. of course we all receive different opportunities in life, but the basic RIGHT to be loved and to love whom we each want AND to get married should be equal for all, meaning ALL should be allowed to marry the person they want to without anybody else having any say at all.
@AaronYLeung (182)
• United States
25 Dec 09
amen! AMEN! hahah I wish too..I wish for the same things....=]
Thanks for that response! =]
