Will the Conservatives promise to make teaching a noble profession real help
@thedailyclick (3017)
January 18, 2010 12:54pm CST
David Cameron has announced plans that if the Conservatives get elected that those who study to become teachers could get their student loans paid off if they attain the highest grades in certain subjects. The purpose of this is to push for highly qualified teachers to give children the best education with Mr. Cameron stating:
"Everyone remembers a teacher who made a difference through sheer force of personality"
and also
"The quality of a teacher is the single most important factor in a child's educational progress. Those taught by the best teachers make three times as much progress as those taught by the worst."
But will this really make a difference? Will effectively offering a bribe to get more people into teaching really have the effect of making better teachers? I remember from my school days the best teachers were those who had a passion for the subject and teaching children, having learned the skills over time. The worst were those who taught because they were pushed into doing so and was just a job.
So will this proposed policy really make better teachers or just act as an expensive bribe which results in more teachers with accademic qualifications but not the best teachers with a real passion for teaching?
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
18 Jan 10
The idea has potential, but nothing is a sure thing. My wife even mentioned that they could try doing it like the military where you get free schooling in exchange for a certain amount of service.
My personal opinion though, is that teachers aren't really the problem. Education starts at home. Every child should at least have rudimentary reading skills by the age of 5 and that happens long before kids enter the public school system. When a child enters school without the ability to spell his own first name, it leaves him at a disadvantage. Teachers are far too often blamed for poor students that have received little to know education from their parents prior to entering the public school system.
The main reason people think private schools are better is that the kids there get better grades. The reason they get better grades is because the parents sending them there are far more involved in their education from childhood on.
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@missybal (4489)
• United States
18 Jan 10
I agree with you about education should start at home. I myself was started at the age of 3 and a half to four. My mother taught me my ABC and on to spelling small words and sentences and simple math. A friend of mine just started her son in school he's 6 and can not write his name. I was shocked. Her husband's mother is even a teacher.
@thedailyclick (3017)
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19 Jan 10
@Taskr36 - many thanks for your response and whole heartedly agree that education starts at home and should continue right through the education process in my opinion. As for private schools well I maybe being a little contoversial here but a bigger benefit which does have a huge impact is the class sizes. When I went to school back in the 80s at a comprehensive the average class size for any subject was between 30 and 40 children. Yet a friend of mine who went to a private school never was in a class of more than 15 pupils, meaning that they each got a decent amount of one one one tuition.
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
19 Jan 10
This is a double edged sword. I do think teaching is a calling. But I also know some people who would have made GREAT teachers but did not go into it because the pay and benefits suck. When you are thinking about supporting a family or paying your bills, including your student loans, most want a job that pays decently.
I remember when I was in high school and college I worked in a department store part time. A lot of teachers worked there part time at night and on the weekends trying to make ends meet. It is sad when a teacher has to work two jobs just to try and survive. Most teachers I know work another part time job.
Which I do think keeps a lot of poeple out of the profession. Who wants to go through four years of college and then have to work two jobs in order to pay your bills. They get a degree in something else and then only have to work one job.
Teachers need to be at least paid a living wage to where they don't have to work two jobs.
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@thedailyclick (3017)
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20 Jan 10
Hi lilwonders456 and many thanks for your contribution. Teachers pay is always a touchy subject as whilst here in the UK I believe they earn anywhere between £20,000 and £30,000 in a standard teaching job, there always seems to be discussions about increasing pay. When you compare that to some other professions they are on more and so being able to live on that wage should be more a case of living within your means. But I honestly don't know enough on what exactly a teacher earns so cannot pass judgement on that and as an important profession then the pay scale should relate to this.
What I would say is if they want to incentivise teaching then it should be on results in the classroom rather than bribing people to go into when they don't have a calling for it.
@missybal (4489)
• United States
18 Jan 10
I for one believe teaching should be a calling not just a job. Here the problem with that idea... I don't believe simply because someone has the intelligence to teach and made high marks in their own school that that will present itself in their actual teaching of others. To teach you need patience and understanding and passion for what you are doing. To far too many teachers today teaching is only a job, one teacher I know actually told me she liked teaching so she could mold her students minds toward her own political beliefs... as she felt it was her way of saving them. This is very sad also no matter what your ideology. No I don't think that they should get their education paid for for simply that.
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@thedailyclick (3017)
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19 Jan 10
Hi missybal you are spot on that teaching is a calling and it shows with the most effective teachers being the ones who do it because they love it not for any financial benefits which it may give them. Whilst I hate the saying "Those who can't, teach. And those who can't teach, teach sport" I can see this becoming more true if this incentive scheme went ahead.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
19 Jan 10
I have been in the educational system in the US for 26 years. Many of those years I was in a position to supervise teachers and to hire new ones. One of the things I looked for in a teacher was someone who had a passion for the subject matter and desire to share that passion with others. Those who achieved high grades did not always have the passion for the subject matter and/or the desire to share that passion. Too many teachers today are concerned with the money and benefits of the job and fail to see the satisfaction in the calling.
One teacher I hired, and was criticized for it, said they had a passion for working with children and sought a way to work with them. She also had a passion for art so she decided to teach art and share her passion with others. She showed up at the interview without a portfolio of her work, she had never held her own show, nor had she sold any art work. Yet she had more students interested in art and learning more about different art styles. She was at school early so students could work on their art projects. She was involved in after school activities with the students.
We need people like her in the teaching field and not the ones who are more concerned with work rules, pay and teaching loads. We need teachers who put the students first and not their wants and desires. We need those who want to see the students achieve and are willing to work with ALL children.
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@thedailyclick (3017)
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19 Jan 10
bobmnu you are 100% spot on, teaching should be about a passion not about whatever financial benefits a teacher can get out of it. I remember quite clearly when I was at school that the subject I excelled in was Computer Studies and the teacher spotted this so encouraged me to go further with it, staying behind, coming in early giving up his breaks to help me learn more than I would have if he'd just been there to teach a text book lesson and clear off, so to speak. Plus taking it from the opposite point of view I sucked at learning languages but my German teacher was just as willing to put in the extra effort to help me get my grades, yet the French teacher just saw teaching as a job and didn't give a hoot about me or my grades.
We need those teachers who really care about the pupils and the subject, not those there purely as a job driven on purely by what benefits they get.




