Tell me where the U.S. constitution says states can't make laws against abortion

@Taskr36 (13963)
United States
January 30, 2010 1:16pm CST
I'd really like to see if anyone here can look at the constitution and come up with a valid answer. I'm not asking for you to regurgitate what a judge said at Roe v. Wade, I want YOU too read the constitution and find it. Tell me how the constitution takes that authority away from the states. Tell me how Roe v. Wade does anything but spit on the 10th amendment. Note that this isn't about whether you are pro-abortion, pro-life, etc. This is about the U.S. Constitution and how laws are supposed to be made.
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• United States
30 Jan 10
Taskr, show me where it says in the constitution that US and foreign Corporation have the RIGHT to buy elected officials? Trying to understand and explain the Supreme Court is way beyond my pay scale.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
31 Jan 10
I don't know anything about organizations in the Bahamas giving to political campaigns, but if they are, that needs to be dealt with right away. It also means that this was an issue long before the supreme court's decision so they can't be blamed for it. "if a corporation creates a product that kills someone should the owner or CEO be accused of Murder, and arrested like any other citizen?" Potentially yes. Typically that kind of thing is limited to civil suits which number in the millions sometimes, but I believe their is precedence for trying CEO's for "depraved indifference" murder in those situations.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
31 Jan 10
You're right, trying to explain the supreme court is no easy task. As the ones who are charged with determining the constitutionality of so many issues, one would think they'd actually understand the constitution well enough to make appropriate decisions and explain them. Personally, I'm not clear on how giving money amounts to free speech, regardless of whether it's a corporation or person, but I haven't really gotten around to studying the issue thoroughly yet. FYI, foreign corporations are NOT allowed to do that. That was simply a lie told by Obama during his state of the union garbage "Current federal law -- legal eagles can find it at 2 U.S.C. 441e(b)(3) -- prevents "a partnership, association, corporation, organization, or other combination of persons organized under the laws of or having its principal place of business in a foreign country" from making "directly or indirectly" a donation or expenditure "in connection with a Federal, State, or local election," to a political party committee or "for an electioneering communication." : http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/27/barack-obama/obama-says-supreme-court-ruling-allows-foreign-com/
• United States
31 Jan 10
Taskr, thanks for clearing that up. But, I wonder how all of these corporations that are based in the Bahamas get away with donating TENS OF MILLIONS to politics? I know of three companies off the top of my head that are based in the Bahamas, but have donated to both parties. According the ruling by the Supreme Idiots corporations have the same rights as citizens. So the question I would have is if a corporation creates a product that kills someone should the owner or CEO be accused of Murder, and arrested like any other citizen? Very interesting what these idiots do to the rest of us.
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
30 Jan 10
It doesn't. No one has a right to murder their own children. Roe vs. Wade was a bad decision, and it has resulted in the murder of some 52 million children in the US. Once Personhood becomes law, the Roe vs.Wade is finished.
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• United States
3 Feb 10
Bullshyt! Those back-alley abortions were fairly uncommon, and do not even come close to the numbers of children murdered by Roe vs. Wade.... and certainly not millions. Please provide your sources for your outrageous statement...
• United States
31 Jan 10
It does not say anywhere in the constitution that states can not outlaw abortion. The prohibition against laws banning abortion is contained in the penumbre to the constitution. This, of course, means Roe v Wade is a ruling that makes the Supreme Court look emotionally infantile in their reasoning ability and understanding of the concept of the rule of law.
• United States
31 Jan 10
OOPS... penumbre should be penumbrae. Sorry about that. While it is from astronomy, the word penumbrae was actually used by a Supreme Court justice to explain where he found a right to privacy and abortion in the constitution.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
1 Feb 10
Yeah, the penumbra concept was just the supreme court inventing an excuse to basically add unwritten laws and amendments to the constitution in direct violation of the legislative process. It really is shameful that they were never called on it.
@thyst07 (2079)
• United States
30 Jan 10
The constitution says absolutely nothing about abortion, nor whether states can make laws against or for it. What it does say, in paraphrase, is that laws shouldn't be made to govern religion, nor should religion govern the laws. In my opinion, whether you believe in abortion or not, it's a religious issue, and there shouldn't be laws governing it.
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
31 Jan 10
I don't think the constitution says anything about state control over abortion. I know very well that the Supreme Court likes to make up rights as it goes along. Take for example, Loving v. Virginia where they made up the right to marriage off of the top of their heads. Unfortunately the federal government often forgets about the 10th amendment, it seems.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
31 Jan 10
I think the 10th amendment is the single most powerful amendment in limiting the power of the federal government over the sovereignty of the states. As such they despise it and seek to undermine it at every opportunity.
@teamrose (1492)
• United States
30 Jan 10
Roe v. Wade does spit on the 10th amendment. However, times have changed and the majority has spoken. There is no longer a big regard for human life. It is just a pity.
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@missybal (4490)
• United States
1 Feb 10
Actually recently the polls have shown that more Americans are pro-life then pro-choice (only by a hair). http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/more-americans-pro-life-than-pro-choice-first-time.aspx
@laglen (19759)
• United States
1 Feb 10
It does not. Quite simply, the tenth amendment results in the opposite. The point of our founding fathers to add this to our Constitution was to keep our government from getting too big. The Constitution states quite simply where their responsibility lies and have throughout course of our history, they have decided to disregard this little piece of paper and do what it wishes. But worse than that, we have allowed it. We will get the government we deserve!
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
3 Feb 10
Hi Taskr, I don't have a copy of the constitution in front of me right now but I do remember the days before Roe Vs. Wade. A friend of mines older sister had one of those undercover abortions. She didn't die but she hemmoraged terribly and nearly did. I remember girls desperatly trying to undo pregnancies and going to quack doctors and taking extreme measures into their own hands. I remember the stories and personally knew a couple of girls in that spot. I personally can't imagine getting an abortion but it is for the above reasons that I'm Pro-choice. I guarantee that if you all who are against abortion were to get your way and make it illegal again then once again we'd return to those days. it is nothing I'd want for my daughter or my grandaughter or for anyone. You are not going to end abortion by making it illegal. All you will accomplish is making it more dangerous. Seriously.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
2 Feb 10
I don't think that there is anywhere in the Constitution of the United States of America that says laws can't be made against abortion. In fact, if I look at all the other laws of this country, what I interpret is quite the opposite. You see, there are laws against killing other people and in some states there are even fetal homocide laws, but still it is appropriate for a person to decide that that the life that they are carrying doesn't deserve an opportunity to live a meaningful life.