Should overweight fliers be charged more money?

United States
February 1, 2010 11:18am CST
This is an interesting topic, which just so happens to be a real issue now with most airlines. Air France is already planning on charging obese fliers who can not fit in a single sit. I can't say that I blame them, because they are taking up an extra seat that they could get full price for. The only problem I have is with calling it a "Fat Tax". I think that is a bit disrespectful with a sensitive issue such as this one. Some have suggested that airlines should adjust their seat size because of this situation. I would definitely love to see bigger seats on airlines, but I think this is an unreasonable request, because then again the amount of passengers would be less and the airlines would probably raise their prices to compensate for this. Another idea was to charge the passenger based on their body weight plus their luggage. I think this is also unreasonable considering that airports can't be expected to carry scales and force people to step on them to see how much they weigh. Most people would be offended by this measure anyway, and refuse to do it. The fairest suggestion I heard of was that obese people should by two seats and would get a refund back if the plane was not full. What are your ideas and suggestions on this subject?
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@ShepherdSpy (8544)
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
2 Feb 10
I was reading an article recently about a long haul airline (An Australian one?)that was considering new seating that would convert into a bed..the only thing was,the "double" used 3 seats of a row,so that a couple would probably have to pay a discounted rate for the extra seat..I could see something like that happening to someone too big for a conventional seat..
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
4 Feb 10
The new type of seating,in a row of 3,could convert to a double bed for a long haul flight.but the idea would be that 2 people would make use of the 3 seats,(And have to pay for the extra seat) otherwise they'd have to share the bed with someone else! But if airlines were coming up with ideas like this,they should be able to accomodate outsised passengers too..
• United States
3 Feb 10
You mean an obese passenger can get a whole row to themselves? Or is this new seating equivalent to three seats? Either way that is very generous of this Australian airlines. They must have a huge problem with large people in Australia, because to restructure the seats on an aircraft to make room for large passengers would only be profitable if there are a lot of obese passengers flying with them, or they are going to raise the prices of all the seats on the aircraft to compensate for this new type of seating. If that happens I bet the other passengers would protest this.
• Israel
18 Jun 10
In long-hall business and first class all the seats converts to a bed. They have 2 seats on the sides and 2 in the middle. So that's 6 seats instead of 11. There is a modesty privacy divider between the seats when they are reclined. You don't see the person next to you.
@maximax8 (31053)
• United Kingdom
2 Feb 10
I think that people come in different sizes. Some are fat and others are thin. It is not nice to be called an overweight person I imagine. It is a sensitive issue because fat people will be offended by someone calling them fat. It don't think that weighing passengers would be awfully nice for them. I remember the struggle of having luggage less than 15kg. Maybe there should be rows of wide seats like one and a half person wide. Sometimes planes have empty seats in which case if a passenger is very fat it wouldn't matter. I know that economy class has narrow seats with very little leg room. Airlines are getting more and more unreasonable and so are the airport security teams. I even heard about one airline going to charge for passenger to use the on-board rest room.
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@urbandekay (18278)
2 Feb 10
But if there are wider seats the plain carries less passengers and therefore ticket prices are higher. It is unjust that I should subsidise the fat and overweight, therefore let them pay more all the best urban
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@marguicha (215558)
• Chile
3 Feb 10
Hi Maxine, You are right: people do come in different sizes. When we went to Camboriu with Claudia and her 2 children, they charged Vicente (then 4) almost as much as they charged a grown up. You must know that as you have always taken Leo with you on your trips. It would be smart to make some seat broeader and some suited for children (with a normal one at the side for mommy). Wouldn´t we be rich if they gave us a job as aircrafts architects? Only interior decoration, of course! A Hug and kisses for the kids!
@urbandekay (18278)
1 Feb 10
Yes, there are two different considerations; weight and size. Each ticket purchased should carry a total weight allowance of both person and baggage. Secondly anyone who cannot fit within on seat without intruding into the space of another passenger should have to buy a second seat. all the best urban
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• United States
2 Feb 10
It must be sad not to fit in one seat. Don't think we should weigh passengers.
• United States
2 Feb 10
How will they be able to tell the weight of the person? Of course, you could tell if obese people are obese, but I think no one is going to step on a scale and allow anyone at the airport to weight them. I do agree with charging a person if they take up two seats though. That is just business and has to be done regardless of how offensive it is to the passenger.
@urbandekay (18278)
2 Feb 10
At present a passenger must present their baggage to be weighed and pay excess if it is over weight, similarly passenger and baggage could be weighed together - no problem all the best urban
@marguicha (215558)
• Chile
2 Feb 10
Interesting question! When I traveled for the first time aboard an airplane, even the most obese person would fit in the seat. Then the spaces began to shrink (not the prices though). I am not an obese person and I´m tall but not a giant and have lots of problems at planes. The seats are small, the leg space is for a small kid. When food is served, we all put our elbows in the poor neighbor passenger´s mouth. That is, if we decide to eat a food that has become worse every day that passes. Food is served quickly (it´s lucky because noone can go to the toilet while they are serving the food). But the passengers should not be so happy if they have finished eating and want to go wash their teeth: then comes the duty free service aboard. You can buy there all sorts of items a lot more expensive that on land while you cross your legs (already crossed for lack of space) so you won´t pee on the seat. After all this ( I have traveled at least once a year for many decades)do you think airlines should ask the passengers to diet before buying the ticket? By the way, they could make themselves richer by sending airplane food to the prospective passengers for a reasonable price. The passengers would lose weight, they would earn more. Everyone gains. Take care. I´m sorry for this answer.but I got carried away.
@marguicha (215558)
• Chile
3 Feb 10
I´m the kind of traveler that searches everywhere for the least expensive airline. If it was a question of costs, I´d gladly take a couple of home made sandwichs, some hard boiled eggs and a drink in a PLASTIC bottle with me to make it cheaper. I have flown in American airlines, Delta and Continental (I think they are all american companies). I have travelled with them before I knew better. There are lots of good air companies that cost a lot less. They don´t serve worse food nor the seats are for thinner people. The only company I´d put new covers in the seats and give better clothes to the otherwise talented attendants is the Lloyd Aereo Boliviano, a Bolivian company. As for the rest, they are quite good. The planes are well kept (no crashes). That´s more important than beauty when you are in the air. I don´t know why some companies are so much more expensive than others for the same flight. I can tell you that american companies are fighting with canadian companies to get into the Guinness books of records as the more expensive ones. And now they want overweight people to pay more? GIVE ME A BREAK!!! I insist, I´m not overweight: just being fair. I´m glad I made you laugh: I´m flattered for that. English is not my native language and I´m a writer in my own language so I know how difficult is to make someone laugh without tickling him/her.Take care!
• United States
3 Feb 10
I enjoyed your response and was laughing at some of your comments. You have made some valid points about the space and service on planes getting poorer by the year. Yet, I still think charging an obese person or any person requiring two seats for two seats is only fair. Airlines don't have that high of profit margins because the costs of flying are so high and most lose a lot of money every yea. So, if they start giving out extra seats, as in this case, for free, then they will lose even more money. Maybe then, we can't fly at all or worse we will have to fly on Government run air crafts and then see what horrible service there will be.
@Torunn (8609)
• Norway
1 Feb 10
I've never been stuck next to someone who didn't fit into their seat (and I've been flying quite a lot), according to some travel magazine I just saw it is not a big problem in Europe. YET. But it'll probably be so in a not too distant future. I'm not sure about how much would be fair to charge, but for the sake of both safety and comfort I think that you should have to order two seats if you can't fit into one. I have a friend who's working as a stewardess, they fly a bit here and there, and on one trip they had a passenger that was so big he filled the corridor when he sat at the aisle seat. They had to move people around to be able to walk up and down the aisle, and it's not only a question of comfort for both the person to big for one seat and the other passengers, but also a question about security. The aisle obviously has to be free, and you have to be sure that everyone can get out of their seats in case of an emergency. Not sure whether I think paying for combined weight of passenger and luggage is a very good idea though. Firstly, you'd need to weigh people, that takes time and can be traumatizing and not very funny. And it's not only weight that decides wheter you need one or two seats. Maybe they could have a row or two for special cases? As you'd need a bit more space in all directions to be sure to get very overweight passengers out of the seats. Of course, then you'd have the problem whether there should be a row for very tall people. Hmm, I think I'm happy I don't work with this problem .... :-)
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• United States
2 Feb 10
You have made some very good points. This problem can be a security and safety problem at the same time. However, I don't know how feasible it is to reconstruct airplanes to fit extra large passengers or supply them with special seats. There may not be so many passengers that fit this category and fly enough to make economic sense for the airlines to have special areas and seating arrangements for obese people. Therefore charging them for two seats seems to be a practical solution.
@tanchyka (213)
• Slovenia
2 Feb 10
I think they should be charged more money. First of all, if they can't fit in one seat, what are they going to do? Are they going to stand the whole flight (assuming the flight is full)? Because that is not safe. It's also not fair for the person sitting next to them because they paid the same price and they can't enjoy their flight as much as they would if a thin person was sitting next to them. Secondly, the amount of fuel that an airplane spends is based on weight the plane has to carry and if they weigh luggage, they should probably weigh obese people too. The idea that obese people would get a refund after the flight if the plane was not full is good too.
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@marguicha (215558)
• Chile
3 Feb 10
Please let us treat other people with respect, not as a suitcase! THAT is terrorism!
• United States
3 Feb 10
I agree with everything you said except the part of weighing the obese passenger. I just don't think obese or average sized passengers are going to allow anyone to weigh them. If the obese person is already being charged for an extra seat, then what is the point in charging them more. They are the size of two people and are paying for two people, and receiving two peoples space on the airplane. That is a fair deal I would say, but charging them extra because they are overweight is like charging them for 3 people.
@reinydawn (11643)
• United States
14 Jun 10
A co-worker of my husband is a fairly large man. He does not fit into one airline seat and when they have traveled together my husband is very crowded because this man takes up some of his seat also. It may be mean to charge extra for someone who takes up 2 seats, but it's even meaner when someone who's paid for a full seat only gets half of one.
@skysuccess (8858)
• Singapore
2 Feb 10
greatsasuke, Of late, I feel that there has been a lot happening concerning this issue about obese air travelers having the need to buy another seat when they travel. And what started out as a safety concern for them has now become a legal discrimination matter. Frankly, I feel that there is really a need for them to realize that they need to be concern about the safety aspect, health and civil consideration for other travelers on the flight. No offense taken for obese members and readers here, but you should really see some of them trying to seat themselves in a regular size economy seat in the cabin. Now as we all know that it is mandatory to belt up during take offs and landings. However, it is also generally recommended to stay belt up throughout the flight in anticipation of unforeseen situations like an air turbulence and emergencies. I just do not need to paint the potential dangers here when such an individual cannot be rightly seated and belt up. I cannot imagine the consequences when such overweight individuals are flung around during unforeseen emergency situations, which is comparable to a loaded carry-on baggage landing on your head from the overhead compartment. Then, there is the health aspect where I am sure everyone is concern about in today's economy class travels. Even a regular average size passenger could be inflicted with the recent known Economy class syndrome a.k.a. Deep Vein Thrombosis (DVT) which have been proven fatal with a number of them actually dying from it during their flights. One of the causes are being uncomfortable seated in these fitted limited size seats. Considering that this could actually happen to a regular size passenger then, how much more for these family size individuals on the flight. Lastly, there is the issue of being considerate and again no offense taken. But, traveling with an oversize individual who crams over into your space can be quite an ordeal. Being crammed in a limited sized seat is already quite a feat and just when you are settled and thought that everything is going to be just fine, then comes someone who just have to occupy half your space. Now, I know where you are coming from for the airlines to be fitted with bigger or rather wider seats but I can assure you some of these overweight individuals cannot even sit into the latest A380 fitted economy class size seats. So, what are you going to do about it, coming from the airline's perspective and also as a passenger seated next to them? So in these aspects, I am opinion that the airlines just have the all the rights to have another fare structure for these individuals who really needs the second seat for that extra space. I just do not see any discrimination here from the airlines and necessary for them (airlines) to seek court orders to implement this to second seat purchase to become mandatory when it is actually for the better good of everyone. I feel that the traveler should know that though it is not an offense to be obese but it would really be appreciated if they can be discreetly considerate when they travel i.e. buying the second seat when they travel. Besides, even if they might not be paying extra for the airline seats but think what will their medical health costs be when their medical conditions beckon. IMO, making it mandatory for them to buy the second seat, may be better for them at the end of the day, where it might just help them recognize their unhealthy state and motivate them to do something about their weight. Have a nice day.
• Singapore
2 Feb 10
greatsasuke, I do not think it will be right to ask an obese traveler to buy first class as the fare compared to 2 economy class seat fare is way off. This would really be unethical and unfair on the airlines part. A customer should always have the right to choose whatever fare or class they would want to travel, due to the unusual size of an obese traveler exceptions must be made for them to travel in safety and comfort. So, paying a higher fare is just fair and ethical. Have a nice day.
• United States
2 Feb 10
I agree. The airlines might even consider making it mandatory for obese passengers to fly first class. The seats are pretty big in first class and if the passenger is too big to sit even in these seats then maybe not allowing them to fly at all would be a consideration. From the point of view of safety, as you have mentioned in regards to turbulence, another consideration would be to consider what if the plane had to be evacuated, it would almost definitely be a problem for the flight attendants to move and evacuate such a large person. Dealing with obese passengers is definitely a complicated issue in regards to flight security and safety, but as an economic issue I think most people agree that having a higher fare or charging for two seats is the only sensible solution. Thank you for your informative comments and views.
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