Could lose a good friend

February 18, 2010 8:14pm CST
I am really worried about the state of my friendship with a mate of mine. We have been friends since we were about 12/13 in secondary school. We used to play Pool and go to the cinema quite often together and had a great friendship, That seemed to have great potential for us to work together too as we started a music promotion business together and two years on we put on gigs for local bands at a venue in Taunton. To cut a long story short we have constantly had disagreements about the way to run the business as he is become more and more focused on one type of music and I really want to show my huge musical taste with the acts we put on. He also does not know what he is doing at all and has regularly sent the gig posters late to the venue and they always have to prompt him to get the confirmed bands in on time and he has spelt the band's names wrong several times. There has not been an event where he has not had any problem at all. I currently have an Ear Infection and told him that I would not be able to take money on the door for Wednesday Nights gig and he brushed it off with "that nothing bad" meaning I should still have done the door even with my hearing not being great due to the ear infection and the Possibility of Pus coming out of them. Another mate was at the gig and he had sent me a text message to say that our Mate Matt was really livid with me and he was contemplating washing his hands of me. That really hit me as I really thought about the Possibility of a thirteen year friendship ending just like that. What's your advice?? I have tried to talk to him but he doesn't want to know at the moment and we have been going through struggles recently. It would really upset me to walk away and it would be made harder as we have the same best mate.
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@dksemke (65)
• United States
22 Feb 10
When it comes to your business, it sounds like neither one of you is willing to compromise to make things work. It isn't going to get better. My suggestion to you is to sit him down and say that the disagreements you two are having has really upsets you. You value his friendship more than anything else and for that reason, you'd rather go your own way musically and stay friends. He may feel the same way. You don't have to rehash every single thing that has upset you and you absolutely don't want to get into any kind of blame game. Keep it simple. He is your friend and you are his. You never want that to end. So you are letting the music thing go. Then go out and put together the kind of act you want to do and let him do the same. And support each other and encourage each other, like friends would do.
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22 Feb 10
He rang me the other day to talk about the business and asked me to do some work on it so he seems to be coming round to the idea that he needs to work with me. I hope that's the case anyway.
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• United States
22 Feb 10
That is good news. But remember....you need to work with him too. You obviously feel that your ideas are at least more marketable. Most musicians I know are great at their craft but don't have the keenest business and marketing sense. In any well organized operation there is division of responsibility according to your skills. If you are better at that side of things, agree that if push comes to shove, the final decision should be yours. Give him final authority over areas where he excels. Have an actual business plan so you can see in black and white the cost vs the income. It's like deciding to be a Fog Hat cover band even tho you hate it because it produces the most income. I always use Barry Malalow as a perfect example of how to get where you really want to go. He made a fortune doing jingles and some elevator music. Now he can afford to perform the kind of music he really wants to do and not worry about financial security. I may be getting a bit off track here, but money buys you all the fredom you will ever need to be creative down the road. If you guys can agree on the REAL and IMPORTANT priority of this venture, you should be able to control your differences in the interest of financial success. I hope you make it BIG! Can I get an A-men?
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@jugsjugs (12967)
20 Feb 10
I think that as we all get older that we all tend to grow apart from our what we would class as good friends and we move on and make other friends.I have found that if you see the same people all the time then you seem to run out of things to talk about and then you tend to sit in silence,which is also not good.I think that perhaps with all the pressures of yours and your friends buissness as well as your friend ship aswell perhaps that has pushed you both further apart rather than staying good close friends.Perhaps a break from each other will do you both good as i am sure you both have other friends.Try talking to your friend and explain that you were ill and if he was ill you would understand so why do he not understand.
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20 Feb 10
You tend to grow apart with friends when they go to a different school when you move to High School but you don't just drift apart if you stay in the same place. I have other friends who I might now be more close to but It would really hurt if it was to end as we have done so much together and neither has done anything that can't or shouldn't maybe be fixed.
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@mensab (4200)
• Philippines
19 Feb 10
i believe there is pain in losing one's good friend. for whatever reason, it is very difficult to let go of a good friend while there is a chance to continue the relationship. however, in your case, i don't see anymore of any trace of good friendship between you and him. i think it is over for him. of course, you know him better. just stay there and make him feel that there is a chance to get back. but for how long? you should know that life is short to waste into a unreciprocated friendship.
19 Feb 10
It will be painful if the friendship does end but we have had our problems and sorted things out in the past so I am hoping that this will be the same, He needs to see that if we work together it will be better for the music promotion and also for our friendship.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
19 Feb 10
Why not have two branches of the business? You could showcase the bands you like and he could do his own thing. You would have the business together but the parts would be separate. I think that when he saw how you prospered and he struggles, he would realize he needs your business smarts or he'll quit. Either way, your friendship survives because you'll be "expanding", not quitting. Since he is in charge of his side, he can't blame you for anything.
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19 Feb 10
That was kind of the plan as he was going to move back to Cornwall where he is from but since he has not left yet and there is only one venue we have regularly he is organising the bands and basically expecting me to do the door even when I don't like the bands that he has got on. I feel we should be getting artists who we would actually go and see ourselves, he does that with a couple but he has actually admitted that a few are for "publicity".
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
19 Feb 10
I think that the pressure of your business has gotten in the way. People handle things very differently and I think that you and your friend are like oil and water. I don't really have any great advice...but maybe after things cool down, you could sit down with him and talk about the business responsibilities and then talk about what it is that you each can do to help the other. That's really just laying the floor for fixing the problem but it's a start.
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19 Feb 10
Thanks for the comment Jen, I certainly think we should sit down together and have a proper meeting as even though he has been on about a meeting he always arranges them with me too late so things don't work out. I will see how the situation is in a couple of days as he has been on Facebook but has not responded to any of my posts on Facebook chat yet.,
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@Kingco18 (33)
• United States
19 Feb 10
This is an interesting matter. If he has been your good friend for 13 years, I doubt you should worry about him getting "rid" of you. You need to get a hold of him, face to face. Meet somewhere or show up where you know he will be. Sit down and tell him whats on your mind, and how this situation has grown out of control. Most of the time people don't even realize that they may be doing something wrong, or that something really bothers you... Speak your mind. Another thing to keep in mind, their may be things that he may want to express to you as well. Listen to him, and don't get angry if it is criticism, turn it around and make it positive. Thats the best thing I can advise with the information given. Hopefully this helps.
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19 Feb 10
Thanks for the response. Last time we had a falling out I tried talking to him and it eventually worked out but I can't see it lasting if it's just going to be something else coming up every few months. I really want to stay friends with him and I will try and talk to him, I always let him say his point of view and then don't get the chance to state my case as he buts in all the time.
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
19 Feb 10
This is called incompatibility, and its not at all unusual. People never stop growing and often grow apart. This is your problem now, and to make the best of a bad situation, I'd suggest you "take the bit in your mouth, and run with it!" Your friendship has depreciated, so make the best of it! Why do you need the guy anyway? Sounds like you are a musician in your own right! Why not go it alone? Be thankful you have a talent that can sustain you! Good luck, and go for it!
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19 Feb 10
I doubt it's incompatibility as we have been friends for so long, I had my reservations two years ago as he seemed to be so power mad about the business that he won't take any criticism on board. I feel that without this music business thing we would be fine and as good friends as ever. I really hope we can sort things out.
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@skysuccess (8858)
• Singapore
23 Feb 10
lakerfanster, Just stumbled into your post and I hope you would not mind a few perception of mine here. If it is at all possible, please take care of that ear infection of yours first! Business aside, you need to really have your infection taken care of and I just do not see any feasibility running a business in poor health, which is also causing a rift between your friend and you. How could you blame him? When you do not even want to have a professional to take a look at it and be able to know just how bad it is. To your friend, since you are not having it consulted he will just assume that it is nothing serious - which I believe is the reason for his brushing it aside. Not trying to teach you or tell you how to run your business, but I am wondering if the both of you have done the necessary to ensure the smooth running of the business. 1. Business plan 2. Weekly business meetings 3. Monthly budget meetings Friendship and personal issues aside, a business partnership needs the above to stay focus, viable, mutual and most of all survive. A lot of times, I see partnerships of friends or close relations going awry when they forget the basics and ethics of running a business. The biggest sin being taking for granted in almost everything and at the end the misunderstandings just keep on accumulating till unbearable mass levels. Seriously, you sound like the both of you really need to organize yourselves personally, come forward and be more forthcoming with the company's direction in the next one to two years. Get a consensus on what the both of you would want to do, iron out the differences and come to an amicable compromise. If other companies and MNC can do it, I just do not see how impossible it is, between the both of you. All's work and no play will make the both of you dull and contemptuous - so amidst all those boardroom thrashings, remember that the both of you are friends - get out and have a ball of a time when it is time to unwind. There are lots of money to be earned and you just cannot be doing it everyday! I hope that my $0.02 worth would be of help and wish you all the best for the year. Have a nice day.
23 Feb 10
I have now recovered from the Ear Infection and I did go to the Doctor in the first place as I was in a lot of pain, now I am pain free and my hearing has come back to what it was before. I had told him I had been to the doctors and was given medication. I will certainly take your other points on board and we have been talking regarding the business and now have a few more gigs coming up than usual so it should be a busy period and things look somewhat brighter than they did last week. I have been telling him we need more business meetings but he only organises them really soon so we don't have a lot of planning to use in the meeting.
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