Another three audacties by the republican party .... AGAIN
By ladybugmagic
@ladybugmagic (3978)
United States
March 20, 2010 9:28pm CST
Today I was watching CSPAN televising two bills being discussed about recognizing veterans of Iwo Jima and of the Cold War.
Audacity number one - while the democrats were honouring the veterans, the republicans used each opportunity to bring up the healthcare vote, which they will be debating tomorrow. The democrats were polite, acknowledged that there will be some debate which they will do tomorrow, but right now, they were there to discuss fallen heroes, and those who survived as prisoners of war.
Time and time again, at least ten times in the hour I was watching, the republican party dishonoured the veterans by constantly bringing up their distate for the healthcare bill.
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Audacity number two - the proposer of the bill # 925 said something so important: During George W Bush's reign, the VA ran out of money the last June he worked. The democrats did everything they could to get money for the veterans, I think in the sum of a $2 billion bill. One republican sided with them, and all the other republicans stripped him of his chairmanship.
Now, the republicans are crying some bs lies about this universal healthcare coverage cutting care for our veterans. The nerve! They expect us to ignore history, and truly think we are a dumbed down nation, falling prey to the boob tube, and video games, and movies, etc.
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Audacity number three - even after asking a seventh time that the republicans concentrate only on the veteran bill, they continued on with the debate about healthcare, despite that debate being scheduled for tomorrow. (Still dishonouring the veterans they claim to care so much about).
One rethug said that the healthcare bill would cut out funding for mris and catscans.
So, finally, a Californian representative said, "We asked you to wait for the debate, but you want a debate - you got it. You are absolutely correct that MRIs and Catscans will not be funded for doctors who own the machines. That is to eliminate fraud.
Anyone who watched the 7 hour health care summit would know that one of the chief concerns of the republicans was fraud such as the aforementioned. So, they fight their own cause, and again, are obviously stretching the truth, so those who are just tuning in, and are dumbed down don't know that it is a complete lie.
One other democrat said that the veterans wonder why it takes so long to get a past due medal or disability check or something of that sort. And he answered honestly - it's the republicans holding us up, again.
The republicans need to do their job. Their role in that debate about the veteran bill was to discuss veterans. NOT the healthcare debate, which will be discussed tomorrow.
Absolutely disgusting behaviour, but not unexpected on their side. And their following tend to be the ones who favour watching Beavis and Butthead to CSpan, so the people voting them in are never exposed to what jerks they are. It's a brilliant scheme they have got going on.
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@rogue13xmen13 (14402)
• United States
22 Mar 10
The Republicans are being ridiculous. The argument over health care is getting out of hand now. The Republicans had eight years to come up with health care reform, and they did not do it. The Republicans had eight years to keep us out of debt and get us out of debt, and they did not do that either. The Republicans have said "NO" to several ideas time and again. I have lost all hope the Republican party. They Republican party does not progress and they would like that we all suffer and die! It is all about money for them, not human life. They say that are about the welfare of human beings, and they lie! People are dying and suffering everyday because they do not have health care, and the Republicans don't care! I am sick of the "Tea Party" and sick of the "NO's". Health care for everyone!
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@rogue13xmen13 (14402)
• United States
23 Mar 10
The Democrats are trying to do the right thing, and trying to improve life in the US. Over the eight years Bush was in office, I didn't see that.
@ladybugmagic (3978)
• United States
23 Mar 10
Agreed 100%. The unspoken truth is that most of us are just waiting for the grand old party to die off. It's a shame they can even recruit young republicans into their mix, but, luckily, the majority of the youth today falls in the left wing.
I look forward to a congress made of liberals and the green party.
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@ladybugmagic (3978)
• United States
23 Mar 10
I hate having to repeat other things that have been stated elsewhere, but we all know that we can get a poll to support whatever we want. If the best Anti-Obama poll you can post is one saying that 49% approve of him, then I’d say the left is in good shape.
I could easily go to a Peta convention, and take a poll, and post it saying that 100% of Americans support being vegetarian.
There are different controls involved, numbers, questions posed, etc. I am surprised you couldn’t find one without a 2% margin.
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@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
21 Mar 10
Politicians are pretty much the same all over the world.
When I watch the Australian Senate on television, it is total mayhem.
You get better behaviour in a kindergarten class of 5 years old.
Politicians are a bunch of parasites and a disgrace to society, in the way they behave. Unfortunately, there is no solution to the problem. If we try to restrain them, they will cry that the leading party is trying to censor them.
It is a game that all parties have learned to play. It is about being the one shouting the louder and making a nuisance of himself, to gain the headline in the news of the day.
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@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
21 Mar 10
We have two major party like in the UK. Labor and Liberal.
Labor is supposed to be for the working class, and it is the party which has structured our social and health system.
Liberal support the rich by reducing their taxes and making the working class pay.
So what happen is...
Labor comes into power, and spend the surplus the Liberal have saved by being scrooges. Labor spend the money on health, infrastructure, and raise the elderly people's pension like they did 6 months ago.
The Liberal come into power and stop all spending. They start saving to repay Labor's debt.
These days people say that there is very little difference between the 2 party. And in many ways it is true. But the working class still suffers under Liberal while the rich gets richer.
In some ways, our Liberal would be your Republicans.
And our Labor, your democrats.
Except that our Liberals don't have a constitution which give them the power to get away with murder.
Besides that, we have half a dozen small party, but they don't have the money to win an election. Only the two major party can win. So before the election, the small party tell the people to which major party their vote will go to.
Quite often the major party win the election because of the votes of the small party. Like John Howard from the Liberal, who won an election with only 36% of the votes, but had the votes of the small party to take him over 50%.
It has always seem like a crazy and unjust system to me. But that is the way it is. At least we vote in Australia. lol
They made voting compulsory decades ago.
If you don't vote, you get a fine.
But it is better to vote, than not vote and whinge. lol
However, the small party has some power. It can win seats in the Senate by winning within their electoral boundaries. Once in the Senate, they can block the government policies if they don't like them.
@ladybugmagic (3978)
• United States
21 Mar 10
Well said! What kind of parliamentary system is in place in Australia? How many parties, is there a strong divide, etc?
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
21 Mar 10
"It's the Republicans holding us up again." That's a statement that could be made a dozen times a day every day! That's all they know - disrupt, obstruct and repeat their same talking points over and over again no matter what the issue is they're supposed to be discussing. They talk out of both sides of their mouths at every turn. "The "Democrat" bill (they spitefully refuse to use the proper term, Democratic, making themselves sound stupid and ignorant!) will cut Medicare by billions" on one hand and then "We must cut entitlement spending (Medicare and Social Security) on the other. Then there's "Many of the uninsured people are eligible for Medicaid but they don't apply" versus "The health care bill will put more people on Medicaid which we can't afford". They don't want what they want, if that makes any sense at all. They like to pass themselves off as the great patriots who love their country while they're doing everything in their power to prove they don't care about many of the PEOPLE that make and have made our country great, including our veterans. They have one concern and one concern only - to destroy and defeat the Democrats and especially a Democratic President they refuse to accept!
Annie
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@clrumfelt (5597)
• Tennessee Ridge, Tennessee
21 Mar 10
Some of your audacities are a little audacious. President Bush did everything possible to take care of the veterans while he was in office. Here is a summary of the final year of his efforts:
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/stateoftheunion/2008/initiatives/veterans.html
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
21 Mar 10
Shhhhh! This is a thread for republican bashing, not facts! If it were about facts she might have actually named names so we could check her claims for ourselves. Instead she made it all ambiguous so nobody could verify or disprove what she said.
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@ladybugmagic (3978)
• United States
21 Mar 10
Oh, snap!
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/program/ID/221391&start=59&end=23406
I didn't get to watch it all, but, it substantiates everything I stated.
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
21 Mar 10
Good, I'm glad they kept bringing it back to the subject at hand and what is most important. The veteran's issue will wait. And the democrats are pushing the healthcare bill without any debate or the wishes of the American people.
@hofferp (4734)
• United States
21 Mar 10
The Democrats could have waited a day longer to discuss veterans issues. I see it as nothing more than another maneuver by the Democrats to shut down debate. The time they have allocated for debate tomorrow is b.s. And I'll tell you what it says about me, as the daughter of a WWII veteran, who opposes this bill, as do I, it says I'm fed up with the Democratic maneuvering going on to pass this bill.
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
21 Mar 10
You support a guy who wouldn't think twice about aborting his own grandchildren. What does that say about YOU?
@ladybugmagic (3978)
• United States
21 Mar 10
hofferp - I am willing to guess that this veteran bill has been on the schedule for some time now. Things get scheduled, much like when people go to court, they go in a scheduled time. Some people may feel their case has more of a priority factor, but, once its on calendar in a certain order, it is there. Does that mean the prosecution and the defense talk about the second case when the first is being heard?
irishidid - It says about ME, that when you are talking about a MAN aborting HIS grandchildren, that I have the knowledge to realize this hypothesis is a physical impossibility. A man can not carry a fetus, certainly not that of his own grandchild. And his kids are what - elementary age? They are not even ovulating yet.
So - are you trying to say that Obama is in support of women's reproductive rights?
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
21 Mar 10
While some folks may say "goody for them", just as it was with the people who shouted ugly words at our legislators, this kind of behavior does more harm than good...from within. I wonder how many of their fellow legislators are having second thoughts about following the party line after that?
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
21 Mar 10
In a typical politicians way of doing business the funding for the VA included an amendment to set a withdrawal date from Iraq. Nothing to do with the bill. There was also another attempt to change the funding for the GI Bill by not allowing GI to use the bill if they are in the Military. They had to totally sever their relationship with the military.
Congressman Ron Paul said that he would only sing bills that were one or two pages and dealing with a single issue and a reference in the bill showing where in the US Constitution Congress has the authority for such a law. He felt that was the way protect the American people.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
21 Mar 10
Line item vetoes are wrong and should NOT be allowed. It gives the executive branch too much power and can ruin bills, especially if the president and congress are from different parties which they may be after the November elections. Nope, the president needs to deal with bills as they are written.
Bobmnu, you are right of course. Republicans only voted against VA funding on the one bill where a withdrawal date was part of it.
@ladybugmagic (3978)
• United States
21 Mar 10
President Obama is trying to pass a bill where he can employ line item vetoes. Things get piggybacked into one bill, which is what has slowed our progress in pulling out of the two wars.
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@quinnkl (1667)
• United States
23 Mar 10
I so agree with you. Every time I bring these things up and point them out (around friends and family most of whom are republican), I get dismissed and put down. But reality is reality. Facts cannot be changed. When you are caught in lies, why the heck don't people SEE the lies and see what is happening? So sad that Republicans are having to go against things they WANTED in last years just because now Democrats are saying they should be so.... makes no sense. And veterans are losing/waiting in the wings. That is NOT RIGHT. Thank you for bringing this up and pointing this out again!
