Why 2014
By gewcew23
@gewcew23 (8007)
United States
March 22, 2010 11:15am CST
I keep hearing about these 40,000 American that will die every year if Congress does not pass health care reform. Yet what House pas last night does not go into full effect until 2014. Now all the taxes go into effect once Obama signs the bill, but none of the benefit of those taxes. So if my math is correct 160,000 American will still die and 1.6 trillion dollars collected, yet this had to happen now.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
22 Mar 10
lol...figured it out did you?
It is not about "people"...it is about power and money.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
22 Mar 10
um.....greed, arrogance, self rightousness, the unrestrainable urge to dictate other people's lives..no accountablility for your actions....I am sure I could think of a few more if I really thought about it.
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@Rollo1 (16676)
• Boston, Massachusetts
22 Mar 10
There are a few reasons that occur to me right off the top of my head:
One, the financing for the health care bill runs for ten years which will provide only 6 years of benefits. While they tout the bill's ability to lower the deficit, they are not counting in the 4 years of deficit funding for the bill. They will put into effect a few programs, some will not take effect until much later than 2014.
Two, they want to avoid a huge push to repeal the bill after the 2010 and 2012 elections. Nothing will go into effect until after Obama runs for his second term, so we can't be unhappy with him. Secondly, they will put into effect the parts of the bill they think people will like - kids on parents' policies until age 26 and the restrictions on insurance companies that prevent them from denying insurance for pre-existing conditions. These are benefits that they think people won't want to give up once they have them.
They don't actually care if people die or even if they have health care. They plan on people not taking out insurance since the penalties and taxes will cost less than the price of insurance and they will use those taxes to fund the plan. The number of people who will die in the streets will not be a problem, since they will have more taxes to hire bulldozers to clear away the corpses.
The most important reason is ego and power. Obama's ego demands that he win at all costs. The costs will be to the Democrats they bribed and scolded into voting "yes" but he doesn't care. The Democrats just like being powerful. It's funny, because the DNC's new fundraising telephone callers tell you that it's the GOP that want all of us to have to follow their rules for our lives.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
22 Mar 10
I am sure the date had nothing to do with any election. They front load what some(I might be the only one that would argue that 26 year old still on mommy and daddy insurance plan is wrong) would think is good stuff while saving all the bad stuff for after Obama's re-election.
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@Rollo1 (16676)
• Boston, Massachusetts
22 Mar 10
I am sure there will be a few people that will benefit from the plan to allow children to piggyback onto their parents' policies (such as one of the posters above) but overall, I think the last thing we need to do in this society is to take more personal responsibility away from young adults. If they aren't prepared to take responsibility for their own lives by the time they finish college, they never will be.
But perhaps if you plan to build a more socialist society with more people dependent on the central government for everything, keeping them dependent on their parents longer is simply the first step to grooming the next generation to accept that society.
@opalina143 (1240)
• Morristown, New Jersey
23 Mar 10
It has nothing to do with taking responsibility, Rollo. I know people who work 3 jobs, work harder than 90% of the public, yet still can't get health insurance because of either a pre-existing condition or, more commonly, because employers refuse to provide health insurance for part time workers. It is routine and common for places like Walmart to cut a person's hours just enough so that they don't qualify for health insurance- to wait until they have reached the time when they would be eligible, then suddenly cut back their hours. I have seen this happen to many people.
So you oppose the idea of letting kids stay on their parent's insurance? Would you support a law mandating that all companies provide benefits to part time workers? I suspect not. So how would YOU solve the problem- or do you just not care?
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
22 Mar 10
There are very few people that die from lack of health care. We have all kinds of assistance programs that pay so that people who can't afford it can go to the doctor. This whole thing was about taking over 1/6 of the economy plus the student loan program.
I have no idea why the "benefits" don't kick in till 2014. Just one more piece of proof that this is not about taking care of people.
I dread getting my insurance premium bill--if it doesn't skyrocket this month, it probably will the following month.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
22 Mar 10
I know what you mean. I am trying to find out if I am stuck with my plan or not. We have what the government considers a 'premium' plan...so I am looking at a 40% tax on my payments...plus you know the price of the plan will go up to. Open enrollement is not til the end of the year...so I can't change to the PPO til then.But I am hoping that the company will do something and give us the option of dropping that plan before then. I CAN NOT AFFORD the tax on it. I hate moving my family to a PPO. But I don't have any choice. Gotta pay the bills and keep food on the table.
@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
22 Mar 10
Spalladino, I know what you are saying. I'm avoiding tests that I need because of the cost, I have a high deductible insurance policy. But I do not want my government forcing me to buy coverage.
I agree that there is a problem. But if they would let companies compete across state lines it would solve a lot of it without violating the constitution as this law does.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
22 Mar 10
Dragon, there are assistance programs for the elderly, the poor and that covers some catastrophic illnesses but there are none for the working class who earn too much to qualify as poor. Right now if you buy private insurance you're faced with high deductables (in the thousands) before any benefits kick in. The cost of an office visit to a primary care doctor is bad enough, the cost of diagnostic testing is through the roof and so is seeing a specialist. There definitely are people who die from treatable illnesses because they did not receive preventive care or early testing.
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
23 Mar 10
What I think is funny is that some think the money is actually going to be there in 2014. Right, and social security is overflowing. I also have a bridge for sale. It's a nice one, trust me.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
22 Mar 10
The key word in your statement is "full". Yes, it will take time for some parts to be implemented but others will start very soon. For instance, the provision that allows a parent to keep their child covered by their employer provided health insurance until age 26.
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
22 Mar 10
Well mommy and daddy are the one paying the insurance premiums so they are living of their parents.
As to being hateful towards people, well I guess that is just a special trait that I have.
I am sorry about your granddaughter, and I really am. I do not like to hear about other people suffering. Still does not change by opinion on what was sign into law last night.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
22 Mar 10
Wow, you certainly like to twist things to suit yourself, don't you? Who said anything about living off your parents? Why are you so hateful towards people? I have a granddaughter who has Type 1 diabetes and will no longer be covered on her mother's insurance in April when she turns 19. She works 2 part-time jobs and neither offers insurance coverage. She's uninsurable on every private plan her mother has checked because of her PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS...the diabetes, arthritis, stomach disorder and neurological problems. She was in the ICU last week due to high sugar and ketones...her insulin, syringes and testing strips are very expensive. She does NOT live off of her mother, she shares an apartment with a roommate and would gladly take on a 3rd. part time job to pay for insurance coverage IF she could get it.











