Should the DOJ dismiss the charges against the Ampatuans?

Philippines
April 19, 2010 7:12pm CST
I think we are all horrified with the Maguindanao massacre. But emotions aside, and objectively speaking, should the charges against Zaldy and Akmad of the Ampatuan clan? The new DOJ secretary says that conspiracy was not proven, therefore, he considered the alibis presented by the two, such as plane tickets and cellphone bills, showing that they were somewhere else. Translation: There was no evidence that they were in on the other Ampatuans' plan to massacre those people. They were somewhere else and the witness which identified them is lying. His minions disagree. Chief State Prosecutor Arellano says that in a conspiracy indictment, the positive identification of the witness should prevail over the alibis. Translation: Somebody here identified the two as being present. Let the court sort out the truth. What do you think, should the charges be dismissed?
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@neildc (17238)
• Lapu-Lapu City, Philippines
20 Apr 10
that is the good point here, let the court hear the case and let the judge decide who are guilty and who are not. if someone do not agree with the secretary or the prosecutors or the judge, then voice out their petitions to proper venue. i guess we have to stop complaining. i am not pro ampatuans nor against the victims, i am just for justice. so let justice prevail.
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@rsa101 (41005)
• Philippines
20 Apr 10
I agree with you on that, I think it is pretty much premature to dismiss the case on DOJ level and the manner the case was dismissed has some kind of a hastily done and a few person was given noticed until the decision was made public.
• Philippines
21 Apr 10
That is what the DOJ secretary has done. His resolution does not really mean that Zaldy and Akmad are free. A motion has to be presented in court and it is the court that will rule whether their inclusion was proper. Yes, the resolution was hastily issued. Plus, I did not like the two-faced way that the Acting Secretary did it. He met with the victims, claimed that there was still no resolution, and then released one the following day. Wow, talk about cowardice! He did not even have the guts to tell the victims to their face his decision. He could not have arrived at such a decision in just one day. Truly appalling!
@setsuna26 (2748)
• Philippines
20 Apr 10
I smell something fishy with this undersecretary saying that the evidence is not enough and yet the defense is the weakest of them all. First in order for you to become accomplice in a brutal crime you dont need to be in the same time and place where in the crime happened.Hes saying that they even have the plane tickets or whatsoever. He should at least back his decisions wisely, im not just being biased of his minions or with those people clamoring for justice but if this is the way its going sooner or later maybe even the main suspect will be released soon too. Again i repeat i smell something fishy going on ...
• Philippines
21 Apr 10
I agree, there is something more to this whole situation. It sounds as if the Acting Secretary is laying the basis for the acquittal of the entire Ampatuan clan. As I understand the case, the one thing that links the Ampatuans to this case is the statement of the lone survivor of the massacre. His resolution dismissing the case against the Ampatuan casted doubts on the truthfulness of the entire affidavit and of the witness itself. So if the witness is not believable, the case will be thrown out. He has just sabotaged the government's case against the Ampatuans!
• Philippines
22 Apr 10
Exactly! Arrogant is the right word! And to claim that he has the blessing of Malacanang because the Palace is silent on the matter, and silence, he says is confirmation. Not a great way to end his career. I am sure that he will be removed by he next president.
@setsuna26 (2748)
• Philippines
22 Apr 10
And the way he tell the media about his decision is simply so arrogant .Telling the fiscals that if they are the secretary then they can bend his decision but sorry because as of now hes the acting secretary.Is that the way a secretary of justice should be acting?Makes me wonder if theres really something fishy going on here...All of a sudden i dont trust the DOJ anymore...
@rsa101 (41005)
• Philippines
20 Apr 10
I am deeply disturbed by what the DOJ has issued against the Ampatuans. It seems that there is something fishy going around since I think and believe that they are all guilty of this and it could not have been doen by only one person because of the enormity of the case. I think DOJ Secretary is trying to manipulate the case the lighten up because as far as I know Sec. Agra was once ask for legal assistance by the Ampatuans so I think there is really something happening in here.
@rsa101 (41005)
• Philippines
21 Apr 10
Very nice point of view in there. Why do Zaldy and Akmad deserve his personal attention? All other witness that point to seeing those person were all said to be lying as per Sec. Agra that is really astonishing that he only based his evidence on the flight manifest and cellphone billing pointing that the two were out of the place when it happened.
• Philippines
21 Apr 10
Yes, I think there was a news article about the Ampatuans being his client. I remembered he made the distinction that he was the lawyer for the K4 coalition and not the Ampatuans personally. That's a mighty fine line of distinction to make. As a lawyer, he knows that he has to avoid any appearance of impropriety. I do not know why he had to personally issue the resolution when he has a lot of subordinates to review the case. Why do Zaldy and Akmad deserve his personal attention? There's a question he ought to answer.
• Philippines
21 Apr 10
There again is the flaw in his logic. If the witness was lying as to seeing Zaldy and Akmad, doesn't that mean that this witness is unreliable as to all the things he said? And if that is the case, why pursue the case against the Ampatuans using an unreliable witness? Let's say that the court does the right thing and deny the dismissal. Doubts are now cast on the credibility of the prosecution's case. The Acting Secretary just threw the case to the dogs!
• Philippines
21 Apr 10
Personally, it's really hard to set emotions aside and speak objectively when it comes to the MAguindanao Massacre. every time I remember hearing about it and reading about it, my heart still hurts. although I have no relatives who were killed in that incident, as a Filipino, I was really devastated. and as much as I want to look at it objectively, I just cant. maybe DOJ should have taken a closer look and tried extra harder, that's just my POV though.
• Philippines
21 Apr 10
I hear you. It is really hard to be objective when it comes to the Maguindanao Massacre. The audacity and brazenness of the crime makes you dizzy just thinking how they could stomach what they have done. Is Maguindanao hell on earth? I could not look at footages for a long time because it made me sick to the stomach. I cannot imagine anyone standing there, firing at all the innocent people and say straight to the camera that he is innocent.
@junmae (1586)
• Philippines
20 Apr 10
NO! Because the documents that they presented can be faked. they are powerful and nothing is impossible to those evils. They dont have credibility because they are famous in there place as killers and corrupt officials. What they had done was very unforgivable and they should also be killed just how they killed the innocent victims.
• Philippines
21 Apr 10
Totally! The cellphone bill shows at best, where the cellphone was, and not necessarily the owner of the cellphone. What if Zaldy and Akmad were only trying to establish alibis and they send their minions to Davao with their phones? What if the ticket was purchased but was never bought? Even assuming that there was indeed no conspiracy, the evidence presented are not irrefutable. What makes their evidence better than the affidavit which positively identified them? The Acting Secretary has a lot to answer to the people.
@ytinummi (57)
• Philippines
20 Apr 10
They have proved they were not there, but does that mean they can't be the mastermind? Why will the mastermind need hitmen if they can do the crime themselves? I mean, they may have presented evidences of call logs and tickets and so on and so forth, but will that be enough to prove there were no conspiracies at all? Crime could have been planned months ago and may not need phone calls for that. If they are really innocent, I don't think we should have a problem with it, it's just how the justice system has dealt with their case that bothers people. Anyway whatever they've done or haven't done, they all know it in themselves and a greater power above us all know that as well. Whoever should be answerable for the crime will face their consequences in God's time. Including of course, if there are any, those who try to hinder the prevalence of justice.
• Philippines
21 Apr 10
Thank you, that's my point exactly. The Acting Secretary ruled that there was no evidence of conspiracy and so he ruled on the alibi. Hello, the witness clearly said that he was there the day before the massacre listening to the instructions of Andal to kill the Mangudadatu and whoever happened to be there. He may have been in Davao, but Davao is just a few hours away. They travel all the time between these places. I just cannot believe that the DOJ preempted the court with his resolution.
@anne25penn (3305)
• Philippines
20 Apr 10
After venting out my frustration a few days ago in a discussion, I have decided not to think about this case anymore. Those who are in power and hold office in the government can do what they want, and there is nothing that we can do no matter how many of us disagree over the decision. I have resigned over having any hope in our justice system. The latest developments have only proved that in our country, its only money that really matters.
• Philippines
21 Apr 10
I know it can be both be challenging and frustrating to live in this country. I too became apathetic for a while, but I hate to admit it, if we all just resign as Filipinos, who will be left to run this country? It is disgusting the way that justice is often trampled upon. But I believe in the saying that "all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
@hisoka147 (606)
• Philippines
20 Apr 10
They should only try to dismiss the case when the Ampatuans has proven their innocence to the public. My own opinion here is that there are always somebody else involve with the higher authority. I think that this can be solved in just a matter of time but we really don't know what's behind those investigation. Public media can neither be trusted if they are releasing the truth or just a cover up for the case. No body really knows but it's all up to the court and it's their own job by the way.
• Philippines
20 Apr 10
Are you saying that the could should be the one to determine whether the two Amaptuans are innocent or guilty? What really got to me was the report that the day before he released the resolution, he met and told the victims that he had not finished reviewing the case and that as soon as he was done, he would inform them of his action. Less than 24 hours later, he issued the resolution! He is even faster than Jack Bauer. Maybe he should replace Kiefer Sutherland.
@raynejasper (2322)
• Philippines
20 Apr 10
..hi.. as for me, I would rely on the courts decision.. and I do hope that our court will give and follow due process.. for me, I can't judge the matter immediately.. but for the case regarding the weapons that was captured or confiscated from them, the court has to file another case against them apart from the massacre because I think that the weapons has nothing to do about the massacre unless the same weapons were used during the massacre.. the investigators of the case needs to exert more effort to find evidence against the real mastermind.. the case is very complicated and it can't be solve by focusing only in one angle.. many people are affected and many conclusions has been drawn by the people themselves that's why this is the time when our own court proves its effectiveness and cleverness in solving crimes in our country by punishing the real doer of the action and the mastermind..
• Philippines
20 Apr 10
You are right. The weapons that were found in their property is an entirely different issue that must also be resolved. I was also shocked by the firepower that they stored in their compound. What shocked me more was that it had government markings. Draw your own conclusions from that. I agree that the court should rise above everyone, and show that it can be truly impartial. The issue really is simple: should the two Ampatuans be tried with the others? I have great faith in Judge Solis, after she is a woman!
@Leixa003 (867)
• Philippines
20 Apr 10
I am not a lawyer but I think the Chief State Prosecutor Arellano has a point. Come on if there are witness then there is probable cause. Why not the court decide where their alibis were true or the witness were stating the truth or they are just lying. Why would the DOJ secretary decide this on his own. I do not want to lose hope in the justice system but seeing the secretary of justice (or should I say acting secretary) this way makes me want to migrate to another country.
• Philippines
20 Apr 10
The problem really lies in the appreciation of facts and the application of the law. Acting Secretary Agra did not come from prosecution arm unlike Chief State Prosecutor Arellano. The issue of probable cause lies within the province of the Department of Justice. The problem here is that Agra outranks Arellano. I was just surprised that Sec. Agra chose to do this alone even if he perceived it to be the right decision. It reeks of something, just not justice.
@eileenleyva (27555)
• Philippines
20 Apr 10
EVIDENCE? Grrr! That Agra must be dismissed! He does not seem to know the gravity of that erroneous decision. He does not deserve to be secretary of the Department of Justice. In fact, his license must be revoked! He must be disbarred!
• Philippines
21 Apr 10
I have to agree with all your angry emoticons. Yes, the Acting Secretary of InJustice needs to face the bar of public attention. I wanted to throw an egg at him when he was being interviewed and he said that he has done nothing wrong. Nothing wrong? Huh, that remains to be seen. But something stupid? Yes.
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• Philippines
20 Apr 10
We all knew what happened but then again we should set aside our emotions. We have right to due process and from the information that we're getting from the media, objectively speaking I firmly believe that it's the right verdict. (although what I feel is different from what I think) The alibis had been established perfectly. The plane tickets and the call logs of the elder Ampatuan support his claim that he is not in Maguindanao during the horrible massacre. Come to think of it, it's a case of prima facie evidence against mere speculations and theories. In the eyes of law, prima facie has more weight. Additionally, it has always been a rule that the burden of proof is always at the accusers. Mere testimonies won't be material unless supported by concrete evidences. I just feel sorry to the victims. There's a difference between the law of God and the law of man. The law of man has so many technicalities, it has so many complexities.
• Philippines
20 Apr 10
The problem really is that the Department of Justice does not have the power to rule on alibis. The issue is whether the positive identification by one of the witnesses should be disbelieved. The proper thing to do is of course first determine whether there was conspiracy between the Ampatuans. In order to prove conspiracy, the indictment relied on the testimony of one of the witnesses that the two were there. The positive assertion of the witness is prima facie evidence that they committed a crime as principals by inducement. Agra's reasoning is that since they were not there, therefore, they are not part of the conspiracy. If that is the case, then why was Andal indicted as a conspirator when he clearly was not there? His reasoning is just full of holes, and I do not know how he could, in good conscience, defend his fallacious reasoning. Because of his resolution, doubts have been case on the reputation of Agra. People are speculating whether he was paid or whether there was an order coming from somewhere to release the two. If neither of the two happened, does it mean that he does not his job? All of the above are frightening. It is time that Malacanang steps in.