Should we allow Gay marriage or Civil Unions in the US?

@Rysonia (310)
United States
May 30, 2010 3:20pm CST
Historically though Gays have existed within society until recently there has been no known attempt to gain them rights of marriage which traditionally (until modern times) were rights reserved to churches of various faiths. Now we run into the problem of many churches, from Judaism, Christianity and Muslim amongst others (being some of the Major faiths of the world) all being against Gay marriage and a new movement from others to make marriage a secular matter. So is there a way to compromise the two desires? Should it even be attempted?
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10 responses
30 May 10
Yes. Civil unions for all consenting adults. Marriage should be stricken from the lawbooks, the government should not recognise it as anything to do with the physical realm they say they govern. It is a spiritual ritual, and as such is not their business. (Governments should remain entirely secular.) So now nobody is married by law, everyone has civil unions. Then Gays and Lesbians can find a priest willing to marry them, and he can do so. The law wont disagree. Similarly, Priests can turn these people away if they do not want to perform the ritual, the law wont disagree. If you dont recognise gay marriage as legitimate, then according to you they were never married anyway, but according to the other priest/faction/religion, they are, but why do you care what they believe?
@urbandekay (18278)
1 Jun 10
"Civil unions need to be changed up to include all the same benefits as marriage and to be recognized as marriage is in the eyes of the government and insurance companies etc." No, civil partnerships should include all the same benefits as marriage but be recognised as not being a marriage, since they are not all the best urban
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
31 May 10
Civil unions need to be changed up to include all the same benefits as marriage and to be recognized as marriage is in the eyes of the government and insurance companies etc. They should not be just for gay people but any two adults living in the same household that is willing to make that commitment and even if they are not sexually involved. If your faith supports gay marriage then your golden. If not then there is always the Justice of the Peace. And then there are those like me that just want to share household expenses with a trusted platonic friend. I have come to understand that the institution of Marriage has very deep and sacred meaning for people. It does for me and while I would not be opposed to gay people getting married....I don't want to marry my friend. The vows and ceremony and celebration don't have to be a part of this argument at all.
@Rysonia (310)
• United States
30 May 10
Would a better compromise not be that everyone has to get a Civil Union, but marriages are the territory of the Church. For any marriage done by the Church a Civil Union must be done at the same time to be legal and the appropriate forms submitted by the Clergy who officiated. Depending on what faith the Priest accomplishing the marriage. Honestly I have sincere problems with some of the off-shoot Christian faiths performing such marriages. It is strictly against the Christian faith and those churches should not be allowed to call themselves Christian. On the other hand Pagan faiths such as Wicca openly support Homosexuality and as such such a religious Union is within their faith.
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• United States
30 May 10
It should be allowed. However religions have been trying to tell everyone what they can and cannot do, or what they can and can not believe in for centuries. I believe in god and I know he makes us all the way we are, gay or not. I believe marriage should not be limited to a man or a woman, nor should the government have any right to define it. It will take a very long time to get a compromise mainly because of the traditionalists and those who have very strong beliefs who are stubborn and refuse to budge. However, it will happen some day so yes I believe it should be attempted.
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@Rysonia (310)
• United States
31 May 10
Africans had rights and were equal citizens before they came to the United States. They were only enslaved for a brief span of time. There have previously been cultures where women have had equal rights, sometimes even more rights then the men of the culture. Slavery is one of those institutions that throughout history has been shown to come and go. It will be used for a period of time and then fade into non-existence. The United States recent bout with slavery is remembered both for being so recent and the horrific way in which they managed to reintegrate previous slaves into society after it was over. How is keeping the definition of the word marriage the same as it has been for thousands of years in every culture ever the same granting people or denying people special favors?
@Rysonia (310)
• United States
30 May 10
Marriage has been defined as a Man and a Woman for as long as we have written history, longer even as Oral history shows that marriage was man and woman from previous to that. So all of a sudden a select few should have the right to rewrite thousands of years of history and tradition? Why? Why should special favors be given to one group of citizens that have in the entire history of man never been theirs. This isn't just about religion or faith, this is also about history and tradition.
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• United States
31 May 10
History also means change. If you take a look at the Civil War and then Dr. Martin Luther King and the civil rights for the African Americans living in the United States and the entire slaves. So is it wrong to deny gays and lesbians a chance to be married? Yes it is. Its like trying to deny history of the Civil rights. Eventually things will be changed. Regarding why special favors should be given to one group of citizens, take a look through out the United States history and you will see, even today, that there are always groups that never had rights or being equal, africal americans, slaves, women, etc. History and Tradition can be changed, it just takes a lot of effort to change.
@urbandekay (18278)
30 May 10
Certainly gays should be allowed to live together in peace. But marriage is religious concept and is intrinsically between a man and a woman. This is a good compromise all the best urban
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@urbandekay (18278)
31 May 10
Yes, I am in favour of them having exactly the same benefits as regards tax, inheritance, etc. But you are wrong, religion is as old as humans and marriage is and always was a religious concept all the best urban
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
31 May 10
I did research on this years ago and wrote a report on it. Marriage really was not always a religious concept if you go way way back on it. It is really very interesting to read up on. Way back, marriage was not even about love. Anyway, it really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Just saying it would be an interesting topic for you to look up. It is fascinating how the concepts of marriage have changed over the years and how different they are from country to country.
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
31 May 10
Hi my friend Religion is an afterthought in marriage. The original marriages had nothing at all to do with religion. We had this discussion on another discussion and I provided you links which I am guessing you did not bother to read. Living together is hardly a fair compromise at all. They love each other and have set up household together. They deserve the same government benefits as a married couple.
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
31 May 10
Hi Rysonia, Yes, I think gay people should be allowed to get married. A civil union does not give them the same rights and benefits as a marriage does so that won't cut it. I think a good compromise would be to allow them to get married by a Justice of the Peace and allow the churches the option of allowing them or not allowing them. Some priests and bishops are gay and there are priests that don't have a problem with marrying them. It should be left up to the individual churches. A marriage by a JP is every bit as legal and binding as a church marriage in the eyes of the law and should be in the hearts of the couple.
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
31 May 10
Maybe it would be easier for people to accept if we deleted the word "Gay" from the equation. Maybe even the word "Marriage". The point is that two ADULTS who want to share a household long term should have the option of getting the same government benefits and insurance benefits etc. as a married couple now gets. Let's not even concern ourselves on what they do in the privacy of that household. Two elderly friends should be able to get those same benefits if they chose to for example. Call it a partnership or whatever you want if it makes it easier and feels more acceptable.
@urbandekay (18278)
31 May 10
Excellent, by all means, that is called civil partnership, a different thing from marriage. The answer, the best compromise as I suggested earlier, is to allow such partnerships with full benefits but recognise that they are not marriages all the best urban
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
31 May 10
Civil unions do exist now but they are not recognized by the federal government and also not recognized by many insurances. That part should be changed.
@marguicha (216305)
• Chile
31 May 10
In my country, Chile, the only valid marriage is secular. You can ALSO get married at the church you desire but it´s not legal as marriage goes. I would like to have legal gay marriages approved here but there´s a long way to go before that happens. Take care!
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@Jaluke (676)
• United States
30 May 10
It should be allowed. The church or religions should have absolutely no say in whether or not a couple is allowed to get married. For one, it should be a separation of church and state. For another, it is not going to affect them. If someone is seriously bothered by it, it is their own problem and they are just wanting something to complain about. I find it sickening that people want to prevent a couple from being happy by allowing them to get married once, but they're okay with someone getting 3 or 4 divorces and marriages. "It's a sin" is not a valid argument because not everyone follows the same religion, has the same set of beliefs or morals, and according to those quoting the bible saying gays are sinners, the bible also says that women should not be allowed in their house when they're on their period. So if you want to quote one part, you might want to take a look at the rest and follow that as well if you're going to try to use it as justification.
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@Rysonia (310)
• United States
30 May 10
Beyond the fact that many faiths have a problem with the concept of gay marriage, what about the fact that historically marriage has always been considered to be a male/female event even in cultures that were completely accepting of homosexuality. Is it really in any way discrimination to state that marriage has always been between a man and a woman as those are the genders required to have children and traditionally marriage has been about forming a family?
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@Jaluke (676)
• United States
30 May 10
Historical facts are irrelevant. Historically, blacks and women were considered property and not full people for longer than they've been considered equals. And if marriage is about forming families then I guess elderly people and people who can't have kids shouldn't be allowed to be married either if we're basing it on that. Historical definitions are flawed.
@Rysonia (310)
• United States
31 May 10
A brief spat of time with the history of the United States (your reference to blacks and women apparently being from there) does not count as 'historically'. Your remarks make very little sense at all. Also, you can't claim that elderly and those men and women suspected of not being able to have children can't have kids as there have been multiple reports when they have done so.
• United States
31 May 10
Please don't stone me.... I believe marriage is between one man and one woman. I don't think there's a way to compromise because both sides want to define marriage a certain way. Gays and lesbians want to re-define it as something that two people (any two people) can do when they are in love and want to share their lives together. Religious groups want marriage to continue to be defined as between one man and one woman. Personally, I have nothing against gays and lesbians as human beings. They're going to do whatever they want regardless of what I think is right and wrong. My Bible says we're ALL sinners, who am I to judge? But if marriage is just what people who are "in love" do to get insurance benefits, what does that do to marriage? Where does the re-defining stop? Are people going to be marrying three cats, one dolphin, ten dogs, two men, and eight women all at once in the future? You might laugh, but three thousand years ago people would have laughed at the idea of two men marrying even the cultures that were accepting of homosexuality. After one re-definition, what's to stop a few hundred more?
@poingly (605)
• United States
31 May 10
My faith is in favor gay marriage. I don't think one person's faith should supersede another person's. Government allowing homosexual marriage allows for an individual faith to allow or not allow it. Government not allowing homosexual marriage steps all over the faiths that do allow it.
@winjayoma (186)
• Philippines
31 May 10
I am not in favor of this marriage. It is really wrong and very contradict to the Word of God. The Bible prohibited in doing this. God has made human in a right and perfect way. He made man and to have a partner that is woman. God will punish a nation that supporting this kind of marriage. The Lord sent fire and brimstone in Sodom and Gomorrah because of this.
• Philippines
2 Jun 10
Hello richnai, I know what i am saying. and I say it again that it is wrong and a great SIN to have this kind of marriage. I am warning all those people are having a relationship with same gender to repent because the Lord is going to judge them. As long as there is time, you refrain from doing this and ask God for forgiveness. Jesus loves you so much and does not want you to go to hell for eternal torment and suffering!
@qianyun6 (2067)
• China
31 May 10
It should be allowed, but not encouraged. Two males or two females live together will not trouble others, they have the right to choose that way.