Should Obama be investigated for felony bribery?

@Taskr36 (13963)
United States
June 3, 2010 2:38pm CST
I'm sure the responses for this will largely be based on how people feel about the president, but try to be objective. If you do not feel he should be investigated, why not? When the president says "Nothing inappropriate has occured" is that good enough for you? If so, is it good enough that Blagojevich, Rengel, and others said they did nothing inappropriate? Should investigations only happen when the suspect ADMITS inappropriate activity? Also, can anyone explain why it took the White House so long to say what happened? Why does the White House's explanation not match Sestak's original claim that someone with the Obama Administration offered him a job? Bill Clinton is not part of the Obama administration. Also, the claim was that it was a "high level" position. Obama's story is that it was an unpaid, government advisory position doesn't make sense. Not only is that not a high level position, it would be IMPOSSIBLE for him to stay in congress and have that job. Now I'm sure Obama and his cronies will cover this up and the democrats in the house and senate will work hard to quash it because most have no interest in justice. Still, do you feel a crime was committed? Do you believe Obama lied in the official statement of what happened? Do you feel a special prosecutor should be appointed to investigate? I STRONGLY recommend reading the Federal law regarding this. 18 U.S.C. ยง 600 : US Code - Section 600: Promise of employment or other benefit for political activity http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/29/600 Also read Title 18, U.S.C. Section 211 http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/11/211 and Title 18, U.S.C. Section 595 http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/29/595
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@TTCCWW (579)
• United States
4 Jun 10
Nothing to cover up. We make political/job decissions everyday in local, state and federal elections. Every party trys to influence each district with the best candidate for the job. Occasionally they look for the stupidest possible candidate and, by all evidence, we have run a few of them. Read exactly what the boy in Colorado said and there is no story here. They asked him how intent he was on running and was he looking to do other service or looking for a job in other service. Can we move on to real issues. If this is illegal I am going to have to quit having political conversations in local politics. If this is illegal then we can never ask again "who should we run for supervisor" or the local sheriff.. Do we not ask these people what their intentions and ambitions are before we put them on the ballet?
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• United States
4 Jun 10
It is illegal to offer someone something NOT to run. usually this kind of thing is very hard to prove because both sides usually keep their mouths shut. But in the case of Sestak...well he openingly is saying it happened. So if someone is opening saying a felony has been committed...it has to be investigated and it if proven correct...prosecuted. It is BS like this in BOTH parties that need to stop. The corruption and law breaking needs to stop. They have to follow the law just like the rest of us. If we break the law...we face the punishment. So should they.
• United States
4 Jun 10
It is not illegal to ask someone to run....it is not illegal to ask someone NOT to run. It is not illegal to ask someone how serious they are about running. But it is illegal to offer them something in exchange for no running or dropping out of race. As I have said before....nothing wrong with having a discussion about running. Nothing was wrong there at all. But once something was offered to that person NOT to run...well that is when the line has been crossed. There is a fine line when it comes to kind of thing. There are specific laws in place. You can ask "who should run" all day long...YOu can even tell someone you don't think they should run..you can even tell them why you think they should not run....but you can't go to someone and say hey..if you don't run I will give you this job, position, or money. You can NOT offer them anything as an incentive not to run. See the line and how it was crossed now? Once something is offered to them as an incentive NOT to run...then it called bribery.
@TTCCWW (579)
• United States
4 Jun 10
If you read what the boy in Colorado said. They asked him if he was in it to win it? Was he looking for something else and was he wanting an advanced position? I have put this very questin to dozens of canidates. Many folks in government service will act as if they are interested in running when in fact thay are just wanting a better job and are not really interested in service to their country or community. As a party whether it is the Green Party or the Republican party you have to weed these folks out somehow and one of the ways to find out just how dedicated they are, before you help pay for their election, is to ask them these very questions. If they hesitate at the job offer then you ussually start looking for someone with a little more passion and drive. There has not been an election in this country that has not had these "offers" and or questions asked and answered long before a bunch of people start paying their way into office. This just feels like, we can't find anything to complaign about, issue. I can give a very long list of things to complaign about with regards to Obama and I am one of his supporters, I will admit I hold him to a higher standard then I did any of his predecessors but I did not vote for any of the last several winners.
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• United States
3 Jun 10
Oh I think this needs to be investigated. Something stinks in their story. Sestak said he was offered a job to drop out of the primary. Yet the white house says Rahm asked Clinton to offer Sestak committee appointments to drop out. Right there they admit to offering him something to drop out. But I don't buy what they offered him. He legally could not take those appointments. If you are going to send an ex president to offer something to someone to do what they want...you are NOT going to offer thing that person can't take. Sestak could not take those committee positions...even if he did drop out of the race. Clinton would have know it. Rahm would have know it. Obama would have known it. Sestak would have known that. You and both know they would not have gone to him with that bad offer to get out of the race. So all sides admit that something was offered. But I think they are lying about what was offered. A cover up is going on. By the way...others are coming out of the wood works now to say the white house administration offered them jobs in leu of running in an election. Seems playing with elections is hobby of the white house. I don't know how this is going to go. The dems have enough control in congress to blow this over...and it so far does not look like the justice department wants to touch it. So unless something major happens...they might just get away with it.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
4 Jun 10
Lil, you've been misinformed on this. Sestak didn't say he was offered a job to drop out of the primary because at the time this allegedly took place he'd yet to even announce he was running. Out of curiosity, what did everyone think about Judd Gregg, when he had at first agreed to accept a Cabinet position, demanded that a Republican Senator be appointed in his place? Annie
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• United States
4 Jun 10
It being reported by Clinton and teh white house they talked to him TWICE. Once before the primary and once during. So ya....they tried to keep him out of the primary...and then they tried to get him to drop out. So unless Clinton and the white house are lying about when and how many times they talked to him....then something illegal has been done. I have really dug into this one. It buggs me when crap like this happens on both sides. Things are starting to get messy because Sestak and the white house stories are not the same. Sestak is now saying he only talked to Clinton once and that he does not know what was going to be offered to him because he cut Clinton off when he was talking to tell him he was not interested. Yeah...like he is going to cut off a previous president. Not done. NO matter how you feel about a president...you DON"T cut him off when he is speaking. I have a hard time thinking Sestak would have done it. HE may have refused his offer...but he would have done it nicely. Clinton is saying he talked to him twice and did offer him those two committee appointments. So who is telling the truth? Personally I think now that is has come out that Clinton is the one who talked to him...Sestak is trying to protect Clinton. As for Judd Gregg....he can "demand" anything he wants...that does not mean anyone has to listen to him..also he did not offer any jobs or incentive to do it. So while Gregg was being a demanding diva....it is not illegal. It was not illegal for the white house or Clinton to ask him NOT to run. It was not illegal for them to ask him to drop out of the primary. They crossed the line when they started offering him things to do it...then it is not a request but a bribe.
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@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
4 Jun 10
"Out of curiosity, what did everyone think about Judd Gregg, when he had at first agreed to accept a Cabinet position, demanded that a Republican Senator be appointed in his place? " OH OH! ME ME! I think Judd Gregg is a slime ball, that's what I think of it. Not only that but if he thought a committed statist Democrat like Lynch was going to pick anything but another committed statist Democrat to replace him, he is an idiot.
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@nzinky (822)
• United States
3 Jun 10
I think Obama should be at that trail and I think he is just as guilty as sin...He got a supena from Blogo and I feel Obama needs to testify in his part of the deal....He's just as guilty as Blogo and it's time he starts taking reponsibllity for it...... Or is this another cause of it's Bushes fault???????He gets blamed for everything including Al and Tipper Gores break up......I think Tipper just smarted up and knows she's getting away from that big liar.......
@laglen (19759)
• United States
4 Jun 10
First and foremost, there should be an INDEPENDENT investigation. Somebody who has never met nor has any connection to Obama, clearly no Democrats! With the three claims (oddly similar) Obama should have to answer. This will not happen. He will be shielded. The man is no dummy. You notice it is every body elses hands that are dirty. He will walk away clean, I will bet you a tenner! A little side note, if the dems want ANY chance of winning that seat here, they are better served with Romanoff. Benett is an idiot!
@laglen (19759)
• United States
11 Jun 10
fun stuff
• United States
11 Jun 10
We could hire Ken Starr again, that only cost us $200 Million. Would you pay for this investigation with an increase in YOUR tax dollars? I sure didn't think that the Starr investigation did anything good for the country, and cost way to much money. But, I am sure that if republicans win in November we will hear all of the people that said that democrats shouldn't investigate Bush when his administration ripped the constitution to shreds, demanding investigations. You have to love politics.
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
4 Jun 10
From everything that I have read about the matter, 0bama should be investigated, impeached, and then incarcerated. He has admitted to offering a job to Sestak if he would agree not to run, and this is very definitely illegal. Now Romanoff says that there were jobs offers dangled in front of him as well. I think it is time that the most corrupt administration in our history be brought to it's inevitable inglorious end.
• United States
11 Jun 10
Here you go ... once again you get caught in absolute ignorance and denial... http://townhall.com/columnists/DonaldLambro/2010/06/04/we_must_investigate_obamas_payoff_politics?page=full&comments=true#comments "After months of silence and denials, the White House admitted last month that it had offered an unspecified advisory government position to Pennsylvania Rep. Joe Sestak, through former President Bill Clinton, if he would abandon his primary challenge to Sen. Arlen Specter." As to any offers that Bush allegedly made... not that the past has any bearing on this joke of an administration... there is a big difference between offering a job on past performance and offering a job based on future performance, such as not running for office in order to get the job. Once again, your ignorance astounds me. Maybe you should research before you comment... that would save you from appearing so ill-informed.
• United States
11 Jun 10
Then there is this one from MSNBC, a name loved and trusted by liberals everywhere... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37381922/ns/politics-white_house/
• United States
11 Jun 10
Please show me where Obama has admitted to this? Also please explain to me the difference between this offer, and that of Christine Todd Whitman by the Bush administration. I will be waiting Destiny.
• United States
11 Jun 10
This is far from the first time this has happened. Ask Christine Todd Whitman who had a very promising political career before she was asked to be the head of the EPA, instead of continuing her political career because of her moderate views (they then tried to destroy her, remember the global warming report that the administration bashed and made them change the wording?). Funny how there was no investigation of that. I wonder why you haven't heard many of the former members of the Bush administration talk about this. This is because offers like this happen all of the time, and I am sure that you can go back and investigate the Whitman case, and she would be more than happy to throw Bush under the bus!! If there is an investigation then I feel it should be of this practice in general, and should look at ALL cases of this. I think it would also be good to get both of these guys under OATH to tell their story, seeing how both seem to be afraid of something.
• United States
11 Jun 10
Either prove your claim that Whitman was given that job as a reward not to run or sit down and shut up. There is nothing illegal about offering someone a job... however if that job offer is made with the condition that you do something in return, then it is very much illegal. Either prove it or stuff it.
• United States
12 Jun 10
If it came from the White House... as already has been admitted... then it came from 0bama. Of course, you could always go with the idea that 0bama's leadership abilities are so weak that he cannot control his own staff. Even if that were true, then 0bama still bears the ultimate responsibility for what his people do. You are the idiot.
• United States
12 Jun 10
Destiny Prove to me that Barack Obama PERSONALLY offered a job to Joe Sestak and I will shut up. Good luck idiot!!!!!!
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
5 Jun 10
Taskr, I'm sure you think I'm trying to dodge the question but I'm honestly not! as you may know, I had back surgery last week so I've been here kind of sporadically, depending on how long I'm able to sit on this computer chair. I really want to look at this as objectively as possible and I don't want to jump to conclusions either way before I have all the facts. Basically, I'd have to know pretty much exactly what was said and how it was worded before forming an opinion about something as serious as felony bribery. This much I will say, and I AM being objected - it would have to be pretty darn serious and pretty darn "cut and dried" before I'd unequivocally say there needs to be a huge deal made out of it simply because we can't afford it and we have far too many more serious things to worry about right now. Let's put it this way, there have been many times in our past under Administrations of both parties where there have been long, drawn-out investigations that have ended up being wastes of time as well as when there probably should have been investigations but weren't. "Politics as usual" has been going on for far too long, I sure won't argue about that. I definitely do think we need to get to the bottom of this and we need to take steps to prevent this sort of thing, even the suspicion of this sort of thing from happening in the future. I'm going to be very honest and candid with you now, at the risk of being greatly criticized and mocked or whatever; I possibly should recuse myself from giving my own personal opinion on this for the simple reason that as a Pennsylvanian the worst thing I can think of right now is "Senator Toomey"! We had "Senator Santorum" for too long and that hasn't been that long ago so my memories of that time are still quite vivid. That's why I had such a struggle over who should get my vote in the primary. My fear is that the issues will get lost in this election. What was that saying - "All politics are local"? Annie
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
5 Jun 10
"it would have to be pretty darn serious and pretty darn "cut and dried" before I'd unequivocally say there needs to be a huge deal made out of it simply because we can't afford it" Well an investigation WOULD make it "cut and dried". The fact is we have a clear statement made by a respected US congressman that a high level position was offered in exchange for staying out of the race. This isn't Charles Rengel, Barney Frank, or some congressman with a history of lying. We then have an ADMISSION from the Obama administration that a job was offered, although their description of events and the job doesn't match up too well since they are claiming it was some job that he couldn't even have. If a bank was robbed and a woman said "I saw that man rob the bank!" Do you think cops would just blow her off and say "Sorry, we need a video tape before we even BEGIN to investigate because we can't afford it."? Annie, this thread isn't to ask people "Is Obama guilty?" or "Do you think he's guilty?" The issue is whether the justice department should appoint a special prosecutor to investigate. And don't give me all this bull about what we can and can't afford. Obama and the democrats have already quadrupled the worst deficit Bush ever ran and you've supported their every move. I have never seen you show ANY interest in fiscal responsibility until now, when the money spent could potentially find crimes committed by Obama. If an investigation could find charges against Sarah Palin, you'd be leading the charge full force with or without evidence regardless of how much it cost.
@Rollo1 (16676)
• Boston, Massachusetts
4 Jun 10
With the new allegations of essentially the same thing being made now by Andrew Romanoff, I definitely think that failing to investigate would be a serious matter and one the American public will take note of. For anyone who missed it, Romanoff says possible positions he might qualify for if he didn't run for Senate were discussed with him by Jim Messina, deputy chief of staff. Romanoff is running for the senate seat held by Democrat Michael Bennet in Colorado. And Romanoff has an email to prove it. http://www.denverpost.com/ci_15213784 "Romanoff, responding to increased pressure from national media and Republicans attacking the Obama White House, released an e-mail sent to him Sept. 11, 2009, by administration deputy chief of staff Jim Messina describing two possible jobs with the U.S. Agency for International Development, affiliated with the State Department, and one with the U.S. Trade Development Agency. "
@anklesmash (1412)
3 Jun 10
Im from the UK and don't really understand what he has supposed to do or whether it is likely he has done it but if there is suspicion he has done something wrong it should be investigated if he is innocent of any wrongdoings it will clear his name beyond doubt and if guilty he can be brought to justice.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
3 Jun 10
He is accused of offering a job in his administration in exchange for Joe Sestak dropping out of the senate race. Such behavior is a felony and banned by federal law.
@hofferp (4734)
• United States
3 Jun 10
I think there's been wrongdoing and a few people need to be convicted and sentenced. The investigation needs to be broadened from Sestak to Colorado and wherever the next one fesses up. And anyone who tells me the President wasn't aware, I say B.S.