Arizona taking further steps...getting rid of anchor babies

United States
June 11, 2010 12:08pm CST
Arizona is now looking to take things one step further. State Sen. Russell Pearce is planning on introducing legislation in the state of Arizona that would deny American Birth Certificates to children born in Arizona to illegal immigrant parents. Thus getting rid of "anchor" babies. There is a lot of support for this bill within Arizona. So when you go to the hospital to have your kid and you live in Arizona...be prepared to prove you and your spouse are legal citizens or no birth certificate for the child. What do you think of this idea? Do you think it will work to deter illegal immigration in their state?
11 responses
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
11 Jun 10
Well the constitution spells out in no uncertain terms that any child born on US soil is a natural born citizen. I honestly don't see how this could possibly get through. If Arizona does not give birth certificates to them, I'm not sure what their recourse would be to prove their citizenship because they ARE citizens.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
13 Jun 10
I doubt they have that power under the constitution. It would require an amendment as it has always been a state power.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
13 Jun 10
That's an interesting concept. Does the Fed even have the power to take away birth certificate issueing from the states? Where's xfahctor when you need him?
• United States
11 Jun 10
They will have to take them to court...or the feds will take away birth certificate issueing from the states...so instead of getting a birth certificate from the state you were born in...you would just get a federal one from washington.
@dboman (457)
• United States
11 Jun 10
THIS is unconstitutional, and for that reason I don't support it...unless they amend the Constitution and that ain't happening.
• United States
11 Jun 10
I just don't understand why we can't just deport them anyway...having an "anchor" baby should not matter. They parents are illegal so they should be deported.
• United States
12 Jun 10
They can take the kids with them. The kids are citizens of both the US and of the country their parents are legally from. So we would NOT deport the children. It would be the parents choice. THey could either take the kids with them back to their legal country or leave the kids here with family that are here legally. We would not be splitting up families. It would be their choice what they want to do with the kids. WE did not cause this problem. The parent knew what would happen if they were caught and still decided to break the law and be here illegally. SO this is the parents fault not ours. Break the law..pay the price. Should we stop sending criminals to jail if they have kids just because it would be "inhumane" to split up the family? NO. The person decided to become a criminal so they pay the price. Same here. The parent CHOSE to break the law. So why should I feel sorry for them or their family if they pay the price.
@dboman (457)
• United States
11 Jun 10
Well, this is where the gray area begins. You can't deport a citizen unless they do something worthy of deportation, but you can tell their parents that the child will stay in a foster home here in the U.S. while the parents are deported. This seems rather inhumane though. It's a tough situation, and I don't have a viable solution to it.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
11 Jun 10
I am not sure it will pass Constitutional muster. But great if it works!
• United States
11 Jun 10
I don't think it will pass constitutional muster....but here is the hitch I see.. We don't issue federal birth certificates...they are issued by the state you were born in. SO the state handles it. Which means this state is deciding to take things into their own hands and do this. The legislation has not been submitted yet..so we will have to wait and see what happens. I don't know that will can be done. Not without an amendment to the constitution.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
11 Jun 10
very interesting oint. We will have to wait and see the legislation!
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
12 Jun 10
I agree with what has already been posted about the Constitution and would also like to ask a question. If a child born in this country could not obtain a birth certificate because his/her parents are here illegally, how does this child ever obtain one? Do we really want a whole class of children who officially don't exist...who are kept hidden at home because they can't go to school?
• United States
12 Jun 10
Those parents could easily get a birth certificate from the country the parents are citizens of. They just register the child at a the embassy for their country as "born abroad" and the country they are a citizen of will do a birth certificate for them. Making them a citizen ONLY of the country their parents legally belong to and not the one they are illegally in. It would stop kids born in American to illegal immigrants from having citizenship to this country and would also make them illegals if they remain in the country with their parents. It is against the constitution to do that. We will have to see what and if AZ actually tries to do it.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
12 Jun 10
I hadn't thought about the embassy. Thanks lil!
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
11 Jun 10
Anyone who ever referred to our Constitution as a "breathing" document should be all for this. I mean, it's supposed to adjust for the times, right? Well, there's no more slavery and no more need to have babies provide an achor so your American ship doesn't sail away. It was never intended to have people rushing frantically over the boarder while they're 8 1/2 months pregnant to get free child delivery services, an "American" baby, and the subsequent care that comes with it. Everyone for a more social-like healthcare system should be 100% for this, too, and here's why. America is supposedly the only civilized country on the planet to still operate bass ackwards and not provide citizens with free (nothing's 'free' but we won't go there!) healthcare. So we're wayyyy behind. Well, America is also the only country to simply hand out citizenship to any and everyone born here. So we need to be more like the rest of the world!
• United States
11 Jun 10
You are right. Other countries usually don't just "hand out" citizenships like candy like we do. You are also right that the illegals are taking advantage of a loophole that was NEVER suppost to used for this purpose. We will have to watch and see what happens. But I do think we either need to amend the constitution or not do this...you CAN'T just ignore parts of the constitution just because you don't like it. If you don't like it...get it changed.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
11 Jun 10
Very nice argument. Unfortunately that argument should be dealt with at the federal level as the states have ZERO power to manage it. Write a new amendment, have it ratified, and you're done. However that is so unlikely to happen. There are no shortage of anchor babies in this country that have reached voting age.
@hofferp (4734)
• United States
11 Jun 10
I'm all for trying it. And let "them" take it to the supreme court. If an amendment to the constitution is necessary, then by all means, let's do it. I'm tired of supporting anchor babies and their extended families...
• United States
11 Jun 10
I don't see how they are "anchor" babies. Who says we can't deport them just because they have kids that are US citizens. The parents are illegals. So we deport them. they can decide to either take the kids with them back to their legal country or leave them with family that is legally here in the US. Are we going to not enforce our laws on people...just because they have kids? What about murders? Should we not send them jail if htey have kids? How about theives? Should they not have to go to jail if htey have kids? Of course not. So why should them having US children stop us from kicking mom and dad out of the country?
@hofferp (4734)
• United States
11 Jun 10
I agree with you 100%. We can't get the libs to even agree to protecting the border, so how in the h*ll do you think they'll react when we "tear up families". I say, "you decided to come here illegally, and there are consequences for doing so. Here's one, leave your "legal" kid here with legal family/friends or take them with you when you return to Mexico or whereever you're from..."
@TexLadyPj (1328)
• United States
11 Jun 10
Herro lilwonders456 What a variety of responses, however the gist of the discussion seems to be, 14th amendment rights, regardless of how we personally feel about the issue. Anchor babies do cost us a lot of money, medical care, schooling, etc. Is there another way to deal with the situation? Amending the Constitution usually takes years. Prosperous mylotting
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
12 Jun 10
That particular tactic won't work on a state level. The change has to be federal. A state can't deny U.S. citizenship to someone born here when the U.S. constitution states that those born here are natural citizens. In the unlikely case that it passes, chances are a court will throw it out the window before the ink has even dried. Deleting anchor babies from the equation would make the whole immigration mess a bit easier, but it's a tender subject when you're messing with 14th amendment rights. I myself am on the fence about it, wavering unsteadily back and forth between support and condemn.
@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
11 Jun 10
Yeh, I too have constitutional concerns about this. This is different than the immigration bill they passed, that at least can claim the backing of the supreme court in that it is concurrent with federal law. This one however directly conflicts with the constitution. Like it or not, the constitution is the constitution and we can't just support it when it is convenient. The true test is in supporting it even when we disagree with the results. The proper way to handle this is to amend the constitution and repeal the amendment that allows this.
• United States
11 Jun 10
I completely agree. Either amend the constitution or follow it...but don't ignore it. We will have to watch this one.
• United States
11 Jun 10
The Constitution could not possibly be clear that those born here are citizens. If the State of Arizona issues birth certificates to some citizens and not others, it violates the 14th Amendment rights of those citizens to whom it does not issue birth certificates. I doubt the case would even reach the Supreme Court -- a federal court will strike the law down, a federal appeals court will uphold the action of the federal court, and the Supreme Court will deny certiorari. The 14th Amendment exists for good reasons. I don't think Arizona will manage to roll it back.
@xasasa (321)
• United States
12 Jun 10
I was just telling my Dad that this should be done. Otherwise there is a big issue about forcing US citizens out of the country because their parents are being deported. I think this would help deter illegal immigration. I have no problem with legal immigration. I did a paper on immigration and it takes a LEGAL immigrant about 20-something years to start contributing to society. (That is when you count the impact that them and their offsprings add to the cost of education and other things) So imagine how long it would take an illegal.