Obama/Mosque/Big F***ing deal?

@laglen (19759)
United States
August 15, 2010 10:27pm CST
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/15/administrations-muddled-response-mosque-creates-new-election-year-debate/ Ok, so Obama says at a Muslim dinner that regarding the mosque, freedom of religion comes in. Isnt this, as Americans what we want? or just the religions we choose? I agree that there are extremists that would see us dead, but compare that to any other religion and their extremists? Like it or not, this is a Constitutional issue and right in this country. The next day, Prs Obama says that he was not commenting on the wisdom of the action, but rather the Constitutional standing of it. The media says he was back peddling. I dont see that. I agree with most Americans, it is a right for them to build it but I dont like the idea. Is this private property? What is your stand?
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• United States
16 Aug 10
The site is indeed private property. My stand is that I look forward to it's being built, and I'm already planning to get together with friends, some of whom are Muslim, some of whom are survivors of the victims of 9/11, and going down to enjoy the amenities they're offering. These are not the people who attacked us on 9/11. Treating them as if they are is inexcusable.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
16 Aug 10
the fact that the property is private and meets building code, the rest is moot.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
16 Aug 10
Clearly he's supporting this mosque because he's a secret Muslim terrorist! How can you not see this!? My opinion on it is simple. I think it is insensitive for them to build it so close to where so many were killed by Muslim terrorists. I think it will serve as a beacon and symbol to Muslim terrorists and those that support them that they won that day. I support appeals to "peace-loving Muslims" as Sarah Palin said, to not do this. That said they are well within their rights to ignore any such appeals and build whatever the he1l they want on that land so long as they are paying for it appropriately.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
17 Aug 10
I agree, we may not like it but it is what it is
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
17 Aug 10
Dude, the "secret Muslim terrorist" bit was a joke.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
17 Aug 10
#Taskr.. U can call any one Terrorist (Muslim) just as a Joke and even your Presidentof America.. How responsible you are" Sharmila, he can do it because of the same amendment to our constitution that allows this group to build a Mosque where ever they wish, responsable or otherwise. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances" U.S. constiution, first amendment.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
17 Aug 10
Couldn't agree with you more. I really hope the American electorate will calm down and see that this is not a political issue. Personally, I don't care for the idea of having a mosque that close to ground zero but I'm not willing to deny anyone a basic American freedom because I find something distasteful. Unfortunately, I see people getting irrational on this issue. They are scrambling around desparately trying to link these folks to terrorist groups. All I see and all that seems to be there are people who want to purchase property to build a house of worship. I support their right to do that even if I don't care for their choice of location.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
17 Aug 10
true and the emotions have gotten out of hand. We dont have to like it.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
16 Aug 10
It may be legal for them to build it there but it does not make it morally right. Also when Obama said that Muslims had just as much right to religious freedom as others, they already have it and in many cases more than Christians. Do you know that in some cities one cannot build a church in the city limits because The churches do not pay taxes? If a Christian group had asked to build a cultural center would Obama had stood up and talked of their rights to worship there? I doubt it, Why not a museum dedicated in memory of the victims, a hospital, or a school? That would have been more appropriate but not a Mosque/cultural center that the cost was partially contributed by those in favor of destroying the Twin Towers.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
16 Aug 10
I agree those ideas would be MUCH more appropriate. However, the person that owns the land has the choice, not us.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
18 Aug 10
Yes he does, but he might not have many friendly neighbors if he allowed the mosque to be built there. Also who knows if he were pressured because he did not want to get on the bad side of Obama? I did hear on the news that there was a church that had been partially destroyed on 911 and it was still waiting for a permission to be rebuilt. Yet here is this mosque that might go up and that had been approved. So why is it all for a mosque to go near 911 and yet a church that is in the same year does not get approval to be rebuilt? Something is terribly wrong here.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
18 Aug 10
Very good point and something terribly wrong indeed
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
16 Aug 10
Obviously, this is a very emotional issue for some and understandably so. I think Obama is actually handling this one right on. By law, they do have the right to build there and whether some like it or not...we can not do a thing about it. I also understand why he won't comment on the wisdom in this. There are some very strong passions on both sides of this coin. He stated the facts as they are.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
16 Aug 10
I agree. this is just the way our country is run and I wouldnt have it any other way. In a country where the government can say no because they dont like it, well that is just not a country I would want to live in.
@skysuccess (8858)
• Singapore
17 Aug 10
laglen, In the first place, I am just disappointed at how this has developed and became when there are many options to resolve this. One of it being to pressure the Islamic authority into tidying up their own backyard especially dealing with their extremist groups who are responsible for all the terrorism, war crimes and the many known inhuman abuses on their women. I do not think it will go well not just with the American but with anyone who are against acts of terrorism and abuses on human rights most of all women. I feel that their religious authorities are aware of their bad elements within but are at the same time turning a blind eye to it. Worst of all, let them carry out these horrendous acts on innocent people and children. I am just disappointed that President Obama and his members could not see this and address this issue. I believe that all religion is basically good including Islam but like all cultures it needs to be more refined and practical with times. Breeding dangers, strives, animosity and terrors should never arise and as such the Islamic leaders really need to do something about it before it annihilate their own existence as well.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
18 Aug 10
I agree with you that this will not go well, and that people in all religions, you get the good with the bad.
• United States
23 Aug 10
"pressure the Islamic authority into tidying up their own backyard..." Great idea! Maybe some of the more moderate Islamic groups, for example the Sufi, should establish a more visible presence in Muslim communities! Perhaps build a community center, include a shopping mall, some restaurants, a mosque, you know, things that Muslims need in their neighborhoods. Perhaps it'd be a great idea if they put it someplace where there's already some overcrowded mosques nearby, allieviate that overcrowding, create a choice in which sect of Islam local Muslims can choose to affiliate with and pray at... that sort of thing. That what you have in mind? Then you should be all for Park51. Egads, people, do you even listen to yourselves?!?
• United States
20 Aug 10
IMO is is a "Big F***ing deal" Obama is our president and he very obvious was back peddling as a result of him pissing off many Americans by his insensitive comment about the building of the mosque. The fear of losing future votes is the only thing our president cares about so he will of course try and fix any potential vote losing remarks.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
20 Aug 10
But you have to admit this was unwinnable
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
16 Aug 10
Well, judging by the outcry, if they do build a mosque, it may not be there for long. Something about a mixture of 9-11, the twin towers, and Muslims turns people into fear mongering animals in this country. I was against the idea at first. It was your typical knee-jerk reaction. Over time, however, I realize it's no big deal. They have a right to build what they want on the property they own, and a lot of the people who are against this are supposedly pro-property rights...as long as it doesn't come to Muslims. It's hypocrisy, my dear Watson.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
16 Aug 10
I agree, and I think you make a good point, how long will it be there. Imagine what the insurance will be on the building.
• United States
16 Aug 10
i'm just curious why they want to build one more,right now,and insist on that very area when there's quite a few already nearby. i have never understand the need of cluster area houses of worship no matter what religion.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
17 Aug 10
I agree but it is private property and so they can do what they want
• United States
16 Aug 10
I agree with you. It is private property. They bought it...they can build what they want on it. It is NOT ON ground zero but a couple of blocks away for it is not ON the site of the attack. People are being hyper sensitive about the whole thing. We are not at war with the Muslim religion. The muslim religion did not attack us. Terrorists did and holding all the Muslim Americans in this country responsible for it is just wrong.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
17 Aug 10
good point and that you for your common sense reply
@k15682 (300)
• United States
16 Aug 10
Laglen, From what I understand this is being guilt on private property. I like many Americans see it as an insult and I don't like it either. Our constitution however protects their right to build it at that location. I agree that Pres. Obama was not back peddling but clarifying for those who just didn't get it. Many have faulted the President for even making a comment about it, does he not have the same rights as the rest of us?
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
16 Aug 10
I would have recommended that he keep quiet about it. No matter what he said it would have been construed this way. I am NOT an Obama supporter but I still see this as a way he could never win.
• Indonesia
17 Aug 10
Do not discuss this topic for a popularity.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
18 Aug 10
huh?
• Libya
16 Aug 10
i'm a muslim and i liked what obama did, it will change a lot of muslim look to the usa and that was good he did a good move and some people say that they don't want it they call them selves the free world , any way there is a church in florida is going to burn the q'ruan in 9\11 day and that's sick
@laglen (19759)
• United States
17 Aug 10
wow it all makes sense now....
• Libya
17 Aug 10
you got that right brother