My Rant Of The Day- Islamic Mosque
By jujunme
@jujunme (2501)
United States
August 25, 2010 3:42pm CST
This is really for those who are advocates of the Muslim mosque propsal, designed to be erected very near the now fallen WTC(ground zero) Those who are against this proposal (68%of Americans )are somehow in the minds of those who are for it, are being described, among other things as ,"anti- american", "bigoted" , "hateful" and "judgemental.You have a right to your opinion as far sighted and wrong as it may be, but, THEN YOU CAN TAKE SOME OF THOSE STATEMENTS AND APPLY THEM TO YOURSELVES.Those statements in my opinion ARE as hateful, bigoted and judgemental as those you apply to people against the mosque proposal. You talk about the "rights" of the Muslims to build the mosque wherever they want(no one is disputing their "right") but, that being said, we, who are against it have the "right" to do so, without being judged by the minority of those who are pro mosque, simply because we disagree with you. if we think it's "morally wrong", if we believe it won't bring peace, a sense of community or harmony to the region or to the families of the victims and feel it will do just the opposite of these things, that is our "right"and what makes you so sure that the dozens and dozens of Muslims who will be flocking to this civic center will be the peace loving, all-american citizens they may claim to be? and if you say this is a bigoted statement , i say it is a "cautious" one. and if you say we are "fear" obcessed, i say we have every "right to be", just take a look around you and see why this is so. Just as you feel we should be more open minded, i ssay, maybe you should be as well.
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6 responses
@jupitercrashing (635)
• Canada
25 Aug 10
A few points to consider:
1. It will be a community centre that will happen to have a place of worship inside, it's not a mosque.
2. It will be 2 blocks from ground zero, in an old Burlington Coat Factory.
3. There are strip clubs in the same area as the proposed community centre.
4. There is already a mosque, and a community of Muslims, in the area.
5. Why is building a community centre morally wrong? Because it's Islamic? Ding ding ding, we have a bigot!
6. Opposing this being built is against the constitution, so who are you to talk about rights?
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@jupitercrashing (635)
• Canada
26 Aug 10
And thank you for proving mine by not addressing any of these points.
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@sonofmercury (407)
• United States
26 Aug 10
what do you conciser grown zero. the building in question was struck and damaged by a landing gear from one of the planes. put the fu)king mosque some place else. there in already one in the vicinity so why rub salt in the still open wounds. maybe after there is a memorial there at the new world trade center complex.
@TheMetallion (1834)
• United States
25 Aug 10
...we, who are against it have the "right to [speak against it] without being judged...
There is no such thing as the right to speak without people judging you for the things you say.
As to why we're sure the Muslims who'll be flocking to Park 51 will be peace loving, which part of "Sufi" don't you understand?
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@TheMetallion (1834)
• United States
26 Aug 10
Indeed: when you assert that it's a fair read of the world that Sufis are in any way connected to al Qaeda because bother are Muslims such that it's reasonable to take offense at their proximity to ground zero, you're slandering millions of people. When people say that acting as if al Qaeda's behavior tarnishes all Muslims is bigoted, you're being judged fairly.
You may not like it, but there it is.
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@Chiang_Mai_boy (3882)
• Thailand
26 Aug 10
The core of the argument boils down to one thing.The question is how do you perceive people of the Muslim faith? Do you consider all Muslims terrorists because a minuscule number of people who claim to be Muslims are terrorists? Do you consider all Christians to be terrorists because Timothy McVeigh, a self professed Christian was a terrorist?
If you judge a group of people, biased on the actions of a small minority that do not truly reflect the majority, than you are a bigot
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
25 Aug 10
First of all, I'm glad we agree that all of us, from either side or those who are neutral, have the right to express our opinions about the community center that will include a mosque proposed to be built a few blocks from Ground Zero at the site of a vacant Burlington Coat Factory building. Next, I personally don't like it when anyone calls anyone else things like "anti- American", "bigoted", "hateful" and "judgmental" unless they have a damn good reason for doing so.
That having been said, I think when people like Newt Gingrich do things like compare the entire Muslim religion to Nazis they ARE being "anti- American", "bigoted", "hateful" and "judgmental" and certainly are NOT doing anything to bring peace and harmony to the community, the city or the nation. There are those who hate us just because we're Americans and because of what we stand for; nothing is likely to change that. However, do we really want to TRY to make more people hate us by giving them what they will surely see as a good reason to hate us?
Annie
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
31 Aug 10
I've never said nor do I think that everyone opposed to the center being built at the proposed site agree with Newt Gingrich. I just think we ALL should call out those who do as well as those who lump everyone else who is opposed with them.
I realize people are opposed to the center being built near Ground Zero for various reasons and that for many it's because of the families of the victims. I respect that, I really do. Personally, I'm neither "for" or "against" the building because it won't affect me one way or another. However, the spread of hate affects us all so that's what I'm truly against. Newt Gingrich spreads fear and hatred. ALL Muslims do not.
Annie
@jujunme (2501)
• United States
26 Aug 10
"I think when people like Newt Gingrich do things like compare the entire Muslim religion to Nazis etc..That is "exactly' my point.i no more agree with or espouse a purely hateful and clearly bigoted statement made by Mr. Gingrich, than i do to the pro Muslim facility advocates. who have taken statements such as this and attributed them to "all" who disagree with their stance on this. We don't agree with them, so, we are in their opinion bigots, haters and anti-american. How ironic that advocates for the proposed Muslim facility claim we are indicting an entire religion by opposing this, but in the meantime, they will take statements like Mr Ginrich made and attribute that mindset to 67% of Americans who oppose the site being built so near ground zero. And Anniepa,it's one thing to express your opinion pro or con, it's quite another that when you do, you're slandered for it.
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
26 Aug 10
Firstly, you have no right not to be judged by the things you say.
Secondly, I have less respect for the people that think that the builders of this Muslim community center or mosque are potential terrorists than I do the one's who disagree based on the idea that it's somehow disrespectful to the memory of the victim's of 9-11. Not that I agree with either idea, mind you - both are very misconceived ideas. However, the former is based on paranoia and fear towards muslims, whereas the latter is an exaggerated sense of sympathy and a lack of understanding towards the intent of the builders.
Finally, I believe it's construction probably won't bring any peace. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it was burned to the ground to by the people opposed to it being there. At the very least, whether it's built or not, someone is going to be butt hurt about the whole situation, and we're going to hear incessant whining from both sides of the issue until the next "moral outrage" of the year comes around.
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
26 Aug 10
There were Muslim victims in the attack on the trade towers. Several dozen, in fact, if you don't count the unborn as Muslims. Is it not callous to degrade their religion and the religion of their families by lumping it in together with the twisted version of Islam the terrorists had?
@jujunme (2501)
• United States
26 Aug 10
Thank you for listing one of the many reasons most americans are against the centre being erected near ground zero. the idea or notion that this will bring peace and harmony to the region or to the families of the victiims of 9/11 is a fantasy, believed only by those who want to see it built and the builders themselves.but, to say that some may have an "exaggerated" sense of sympathy and i gather you're referring to the sympathy felt for the families , friends and loved ones of the victims of 9/11 i would reply, that when 3000 of your fellow americans are killed needlessly callously, one should feel "more" than sympathy for those who lost them, they should feel outraged and heartbroken and most of us feel just that without exaggeration.
@jujunme (2501)
• United States
26 Aug 10
I am very aware there were Muslim victims killed in the attack on the WTC and it constantly amazes me that people continue to say that the "majority" of those who oppose the building of the mosque, do so, because we"lump them all together as pro terrorism or look to degrade their religion or that we hate them. of course there are those who feel this way based upon their hatred for the Islamic religion and Muslims in general, but there will always be haters of "all" religions" i've been saying all along that my opposition to the mosque being built is the "location" they have chosen to build it.and from what i've heard from the many people i have spoken to regarding this issue, the location of the proposed mosque is the foremost concern in thier minds. we believe it's callous, and not well thought out at all. it's much too close to an area many regard as sacred ground. i believe the group that is being "lumped" together is the majority of Americans who oppose this site being called bigots and anti americans. and that to me is the prime definition of bigotry.
@artistry (4152)
• United States
26 Aug 10
...Hi there jujunme, All people have the right to speak their opinion, then there would be those who have ... the right...to disagree. No name calling...on either side I might add... just the right to disagree. That said, I think because soooo much has been made of this building of the center near ground zero, the possibility of someone infiltrating the center with bombs strapped somewhere is heightened because some radical will want to make a point which will injure both sides. I hope that I am wrong but in times like these, this is only inviting people who do not have good intentions to come forth and do harm. Take care.
@artistry (4152)
• United States
26 Aug 10
..Metallion, Nobody is trying to curtail anybody's rights. If the center would be constructed that would show the world that we are indeed inclusive in this country, knowing that not all Islamic or Muslim people are negative towards the U.S. Last and finally no matter how much protection we have in place, there are times when crap is going to happen. I realize that there are umpteem measures in place to try to stop it, but crap happens. This is a possibility nothing more, nothing less. Cheers.
@TheMetallion (1834)
• United States
26 Aug 10
Are you serious? Do you have any idea at all how tight security is in that part of New York City? You can't park a car in a garage without someone inspecting it to make sure there are no bombs. You can't enter a building without someone opening your bags to make sure there's no bomb in them.
And since when did we in the US start not doing things because we're afraid terrorists might attack it?
@TheMetallion (1834)
• United States
26 Aug 10
My first point is that at the level of threat already in place, Park51 isn't going to pose any additional risk or need any additional protection.
My second point is that we do not curtail our rights because we are afraid a terrorist might attack.
