How "Poor" are folks in the US?

@mattic (282)
United States
September 8, 2010 8:11am CST
Socialists use the idea of "helping the poor" to promote their collectivist programs. Well, just how "poor" are the poor? Here are some numbers from US Census data: The "poor" in America - -76% have air conditioning -66% have more than two rooms of living space....per person. -97% own at least one television -62% have either cable or satellite (I have neither) -Almost 75% of households own a car (30% own two) -73% have microwave ovens -Over 50% own a stero -33% have automatic dishwashers -99% have refrigerators -virtually none lack running water or flushing toilets -46% own their own home, which is commonly a 3br, 1.5 ba with a carport and patio, and is valued at 70% of the median home value in the US. To you think they need more entitlements?
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
8 Sep 10
What's the criteria for "poor"; ie. income range, in relation to these numbers...or is this general population data, which is what this looks like. Also, what year were you looking at? With the rash of foreclosures I wonder if 46% of the general public own their own homes anymore.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
9 Sep 10
You mentioned the data came from the U.S. Census. Again what year? I have not seen data from this agency that indicates that 46% of Americans who live below the poverty line "own their own home, which is commonly a 3br, 1.5 ba with a carport and patio, and is valued at 70% of the median home value in the US." The picture you're painting is not realistic. When requested, one should provide a link to the source of the information that is presented for discussion.
@mattic (282)
• United States
9 Sep 10
These are percentages of those classified as "poor" by government agencies. One figure that was left out is that 47% of the population is receiving some form of entitlement - though they enjoy what would be deemed luxuries - even in Europe. The problem with parisitic collectivisim is that eventually the host will be used up. We are seeing the repurcussions of this in Greece and other countries who embraced collectivism.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
8 Sep 10
Gee, your statistics make me wonder there the 3.5 MILLION HOMELESS people that we had last count in 2009 AND the newly homeless people who have run out of unemployment benefits and lost their homes since then are keeping their "refrigerators", "running water", and "flushing toilets"!
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
8 Sep 10
The problem with statistics is that they can be used to muddy the waters. For example my son is 23 years old and is homeless, according to the government. He graduated from college and has to spend some time training for the Military. Once that is done he will look for a job and get his own place of of his own. Until then he is "homeless". He is currently staying with us but our home is not his residence. Many of the "homeless" are people in transition and have a place to stay. Another large group of Homeless are the people who are part of the social experiment of letting people who are mentally Ill and were cared for in County Institutions where they received care. Now they are "free" to live on their own.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
8 Sep 10
bobmnu - and, if you were not there to help him, where would he be right now? On the street? Living out of a vehicle? In a shelter? Yes, some of the homeless are do have mental problems; but, many do not. I live in a small town - a little less than 50,000 people. We do have homeless individuals and families here. Some are lucky and can stay with friends or relatives; but, many do not have that to fall back on. The rest may have a vehicle that they live out of or they live in parks or near underpasses. We even have school programs that give homeless children clean changes of clothes each week and food they can take with them over the weekend so they will get a meal when school is not in session. Almost 50% of the homeless nationwide are children under the age of 16.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
8 Sep 10
Well Speakeasy homeless statistics aren't exactly measured the same way. Most of the time homeless statistics include everyone who was homeless for a single day in a year. That means if you are sleeping in your car on in a hotel for a day or two waiting for your new apartment, you are homeless for the purposes of those statistics. Once you move into your apartment, you have a fridge, running water, etc. Aside from that, 3.5 million makes up just over 1% of the population and that's the high end of their estimates (1.6-3.5 million). Over 13% of the population is considered to be living at or below poverty level. http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/ACSSAFFFacts?_event=&geo_id=01000US&_geoContext=01000US|04000US21&_street=&_county=&_cityTown=&_state=04000US21&_zip=&_lang=en&_sse=on&ActiveGeoDiv=&_useEV=&pctxt=fph&pgsl=040&_submenuId=factsheet_1&ds_name=ACS_2008_3YR_SAFF&_ci_nbr=null&qr_name=null®=null%3Anull&_keyword=&_industry= http://www.nationalhomeless.org/factsheets/How_Many.html "Almost 50% of the homeless nationwide are children under the age of 16." Do you have a source to back that up? Frankly it sounds like something you made up, or misinterpreted from real data since many homeless people have children, but do not actually live with or have custody of them.
@narayan2006 (2954)
• India
8 Sep 10
Considering the statistical census information you have given, the poorer segment of population of USA can be placed at much higher level over the most of the people of Asian and African countries in terms of all important social and economic indicators used for standard of living.Despite the recessionary effect on US economy,there exists a huge gap between the economic status of average US population and that of the Asian population. The poorer section of the USA enjoy all luxurious things that are beyond the dream of many affluent people of Asian countries.Hence,they deserve no more entitlements. Thanks.
@mattic (282)
• United States
9 Sep 10
The fact of such comparative wealth among those the government classifies as "poor" is a direct reflection of the greatness of the capitalist system. The US has enjoyed the free market to the extent that the rising tide has lifted those boats at even the lowest economic level to a place of relative plenty - and have done so, to a large extent, without suffering. The tipping point is approaching as more and more people utilize the force of government to provide for them (yes, it is theft). As the percentage of those receiving government theft nears 50%, the drain on the producers is beginning to be felt.
• United States
9 Sep 10
That is why most of Asia is considered THIRD WORLD!!!! You could compare these same classes of people throughout history, and come to the same conclusion. You can blame what ever you want to for it, but we sure didn't have entitlements back in the 1800's and our nations poor still lived better than the wealthy in Asia.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
9 Sep 10
mattic, do you believe that the government is stupid and just hands over money to anyone who has their hand out...or could it be that the U.S. is in a recession right now so more people who would rather be working, aren't able to? Do you also believe that our disabled veterans who cannot work are thieves?
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• United States
11 Sep 10
The term "poor" is very broad. And a person can become poor overnight from losing a job. People are losing their homes and most are not 3 br and 1.5 baths. Some people are indeed mismanaged. They could not save a dime if they had to. Some people do welfare like you wouldn't believe. They really fool the system and live better than those who have a job. It is a broad term, and it is hard to give a cut and dry answer to. I think as a whole our society is mismanaged. Look at the movie stars and sports figures who make a lot of money for what? But people give them their hard earned money.
@Adoniah (7512)
• United States
8 Sep 10
I don't own the apt. I live in. It is just 2 rooms. There is air conditioning, but I cannot afford to run it because of the cost of electricity. I cannot afford cable TV. I do have Internet, but I use magic jack telephone so that is two for one. I do have a refrigerator, but then I do not have transportation so, when I shop, I shop to last for awhile so, it lasts for awhile. It is the law that a residence have running water, plumbing and garbage pick-up here. I also have a microwave oven because it save electricity. Using a big oven is very inefficient. I do not live on the dole...I do not get food stamps although I do qualify for them and I do not get medicaid although finacially I do qualify....There are poor in the US because it cost so much to live here. You cannot compare apples to oranges.... Shalom~Adoniah
@Adoniah (7512)
• United States
9 Sep 10
From what I have read here, the consensus of opinion is that we should not really feel like we are poor until we do NOT have a refrigerator or a way to heat or cool our home or indoor plumbing or running water. We should just suck it up if we live on beans and rice to pay the bills because we are not really suffering enough to suit you pompous aresses.... I worked most of my life and took care of ill family members and I served my country in the military. Now I am poor and sucking it up....I hope it never happens to you all because you would not survive...you do not have what it takes. Shalom~Adoniah
@Adoniah (7512)
• United States
9 Sep 10
I was not talking about you...You just surfaced. I was talking about all of the other responders. And I was "well to do" part of my life. I have Been there as they say...
@mattic (282)
• United States
9 Sep 10
Wow, suffering from a little "wealth envy" are we. You know absolutely nothing about me, yet you make a blanket assumption. I have worked since the age of 7 and continue to work. The reason I am still working is due to circumstances which I brought about. It is not society's fault...it is my responsibility. Everyone is in their current situation due to personal choices. What most people mistake for "freedom" is only freedom from consequences - which is the sincerest form of bondage.
@K46620 (1986)
• United States
9 Sep 10
We really are not as poor as we think. we are spoiled brats, actually.
• United States
8 Sep 10
I don't think that Americans are all that poor, but that think that we are struggling a little bit, and that most people don't have a much money as they used to have. Some families are living on next to nothing. I know that compared to other countries, Americans have it pretty good, but some people are still struggling somehow. My family doesn't have it so bad. We don't have it as great as some people, but we do have it pretty good.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
8 Sep 10
yes we definitely have a different view of poverty here. If you were take away the social programs, people would not have these things. I can always tell in line at the supermarket who has food stamps and who has cash. Food stamps they tend to get more processed foods, junk food, soda etc. I pay cash, I buy bulk flour, sugar, rice. I buy veggies and fruits (limited) and meat in bulk. I stretch my food dollar and feed four people very well for a small amount. I dont have air conditioning, dishwasher, cable or satellite, I have a cell phone only. We have 4 people crammed in a small 3 bdr house, but I feel we are fortunate. We do have two vehicles but I have a kid that I have to drive to school and two of us have multiple jobs. I dont consider us in poverty. We have a roof, we have food, we have electricity (barely). I dont feel the need to keep up with the Joneses. You go to third world countries and THAT is poverty. huts, community water, and constantly working each day to feed your family.
@Rollo1 (16676)
• Boston, Massachusetts
9 Sep 10
I think it's all about perspective and attitude. My father bought a lot of land in a fairly affluent area, built his own house and raised his family. We weren't poor by any means - we never went without food or clothing, heat or shelter. Once we went without a TV for a while, but that was because the one we had started to fall apart and my mother got rid of it, then showed no interest in buying a new one. My older brother and sister got jobs, saved up some money and bought one together. I don't remember being traumatized at all. I knew we didn't have as much money as our neighbors - my friends had better toys, newer clothes, new bicycles when mine was a hand-me-down that had been through several siblings already. I think I grew up appreciating things more and we had the benefit of living in a good neighborhood even if we didn't dress as stylishly as some of the residents. When my kids complain about not having the latest or the best, I tell them that they live indoors and have running water which makes them richer than a majority of the Earth's population. We don't own anything - not a home, not a car. We do have several TVs, old ones that others didn't want anymore. I don't have a dishwasher but I keep my eyes open, I have picked one up from the side of the road before. There are a lot of lower income people in the US and there is a small number of people who truly have to go without. Those of us who live on the edge and scrape by are a million times better off than the truly poor. If even the poorest in the US are not better off than the inhabitants of some other countries, then why do we have so many immigrants clamoring to get in?
• United States
9 Sep 10
Mattic, how many have health insurance? How many have a hot meal? How many go without medicine? Just because people have these things doesn't mean that they use them, or that they can do without them (even the working poor have a place to live and a car). Our poor in this country live much better than the poor in other countries. But, our rich also live much better than those in other countries, and the rich receive more money through entitlements than the poor do.
• United States
9 Sep 10
I don't think they need the entitlements they're now getting.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
8 Sep 10
What I really want to understand about the social-type person isn't what they consider to be "poor," but rather what they consider to be "help." I'd point to a poor African country, or Haiti, or similiar countries whose citizens are basically dependent on welfare: government subsidies and charitable handouts. And out of every single country that the rest of the world pipes countless of billions of dollars into, there's one common theme - they're still poor. Now, I would never speak against charity and giving and trying to help people out. But at some point, people have to realize that quelling their guilt isn't nearly as important as actually alleviating someone's poverty. And this is done by, of course, giving out fishing poles instead of fish. I personally feel as if the social-type person in America who really wants to "spread the wealth" is working with a combination of guilt and eat-the-rich mentality. They seem to believe that money is what they say it is - a never-ending supply that should be given away. So, they'll continue to protest and rally and support any "change" that hands out hundred dollar bills instead of protesting and rallying and supporting "change" that leads to people earning that same bill. Social justice and this other hogwash is just a revenge plot, so it seems.
@ybong007 (6643)
• Philippines
9 Sep 10
That's the main reason why the US still remains to be the land of bread and honey as far as the Philippines is concerned. Is way so much better to be poor when you're in the US than here . What the heck, if a poor american comes around, they'll be treated as a VIP. Sorry, i'm a little off topic here.
• United States
9 Sep 10
The poor in America have a higher standard of living than the poor in most other places. Does that mean the poor in America don't need aid? Tell you what: live under the poverty level for a year and report back to the class.
@elmiko (6630)
• United States
8 Sep 10
were not poor compared to other countries. well i guess i could say some are poor but most definitely don't live in poverty.