Here comes the Amnesty

@laglen (19759)
United States
September 15, 2010 7:40am CST
Senate Majority Leader Reid is adding amnesty to the upcoming defense bill. Amnesty for students or young people that join the military. He is not sure if he has the votes. He is adding the repealing of "dont ask dont tell". Senate Minority Leader McConnell says that he doesnt have the votes and the RNC says that Reid is including this as a campaign stunt. What do you think? Why is he throwing it in there? Do you agree with the amnesty? you can get more info here http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/14/reid-add-immigration-measure-defense/
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
15 Sep 10
This isn't amnesty, this is just away for people to become citizen to this country so they wont be illegal any more. Before I hear, "well why don't they just come here legally," do you know how hard it is to come to this country legally?
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
21 Sep 10
this is just away for people to become citizen to this country so they wont be illegal any more. What then is amnesty? Dictionary.com am·nes·ty /'æmn?sti/ Show Spelled [am-nuh-stee] Show IPA noun, plural -ties, verb, -tied, -ty·ing. –noun 1. a general pardon for offenses, esp. political offenses, against a government, often granted before any trial or conviction. 2. Law . an act of forgiveness for past offenses, esp. to a class of persons as a whole. 3. a forgetting or overlooking of any past offense.
@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
16 Sep 10
Do you know how hard it is to go to other countries? For one thing you have to prove before hand that you can support yourself and anyone you have with you. You have to be able to take care of yourself medically. In other words there is no FREE RIDE in other countries even if you are just visiting.
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@jb78000 (15139)
15 Sep 10
students and soldiers sound deserving enough, what's the problem?
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
15 Sep 10
besides rewarding illegal behavior? gee i dont know
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@jb78000 (15139)
15 Sep 10
stop kneejerking. if young people are prepared to go and fight for their new country, however they got in, then why not reward them? and students are putting money into your country. i keep telling you the way to deal with illegals sneaking in and taking jobs is to stop being so soft on those that employ them. and neither students nor soldiers are the job takers you are worried about.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
15 Sep 10
first of all, they will have had to be here illegally. second, you start with the young people and work your way through. Third, I am for joining the military as a means to citizenship, but not this way. So when they are caught here illegally, they can sign up for the Army or sign up for a class...
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• United States
16 Sep 10
Okay, if they are students and military, then yes, I think that they should be granted amnesty, especially military. If a person is serving our country, then that means that they should automatically be granted amnesty.
• United States
21 Sep 10
Because many people who come to the U.S. can't education where they are from, and they came here because they wanted an education. If we people from other countries, it will probably prevent more crime and more problems.
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• United States
21 Sep 10
If they are getting a college education, do you think they will want to go out and commit crimes? No, they have too much at stake in their education, also illegals cannot get financial aid and loans, therefore, they have to pay for it.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
21 Sep 10
ok, I get military service but why students?
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
24 Sep 10
It's a moot point now since the Republicans once again abused the filibuster to block this bill from even coming up for debate, but it's NOT amnesty. The "Dream Act" has been proposed several times in recent years and there have been numerous Republican co-sponsors. Once again, they've voted against something they actually were not only for but something they'd proposed in the past. I agree with the amendment, to answer your question, which is not amnesty. To take advantage of this bill one would have to have come here at the age of 16 or younger. So now it's the kids' fault if the parents bring them here illegally? Annie
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
27 Sep 10
No it is not the kids fault, it is still the parents fault. Lets STOP rewarding bad behavior!
@laglen (19759)
• United States
30 Sep 10
Not on the childrens part, but if parents know that if they break the law, the children benefit..... come on it doesnt take a brain surgeon to figure this one out.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
27 Sep 10
WHAT bad behavior on the part of the CHILDREN? Annie
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@dboman (457)
• United States
15 Sep 10
This is a campaign stunt. He and everyone else know that any bill that includes amnesty WILL NOT pass. I would agree with giving citizenship to those who fight in our military, but the problem is that there will be people joining the military with no desire to serve.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
20 Sep 10
I agree dboman, people with out the heart for America shouldnt be called to duty. On the other hand, there are a lot of people that truly believe in this country that WOULD. The question is, how to differentiate
@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
16 Sep 10
They are not in that great of a need of more military recruits. They are just opening the first door to legalizing all of the illegals and then opening the doors to anyone.
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@dboman (457)
• United States
22 Sep 10
Waterboarding, maybe?
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@hofferp (4734)
• United States
15 Sep 10
It's a blatant political move to win over the hispanic vote in his state. But I'm not sure how many U.S. citizens of hispanic descent will be swayed. My U.S. citizen friends of hispanic descent don't want amnesty any more than I do. And as far as don't ask don't tell...I'm not sure where the military leadership stands on the issue, but I go with their learned assessment. And I was so hoping they'd (Congress) would just go away...
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@jb78000 (15139)
15 Sep 10
well yes, it almost certainly is a political move. if you can find something any politico does that is only motivated by common sense and a desire to help citizens then i will personally send you my entire carrot supply for the next ten years. however the move itself is not particularly objectionable. be interesting to see how your military responds. would they be happy for some of their own to get amnesty or not?
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@hofferp (4734)
• United States
15 Sep 10
I so wanted your carrot supply for the next ten years and have been racking my brain trying to think of ONE politico that's in the business for the people not him/herself... But I guess you'll get to keep your carrot supply, for now anyway, because I couldn't think of one. As for amnesty...even if it comes as proposed by Reid...I'm opposed! I say get in line with the thousands of others who want to come to America and wait your turn. My roommate is from Jordan. He waited two years and spent thousands to get his permanent U.S. residency. That's the way you do it. You don't sneak across the Rio Grande, drop a baby, feed off the system and hope an Obama administration comes along and grants you amnesty. Yes, I'm also opposed to employers "enslaving" illegals. I say you go after both plus stop providing public assistance (school, welfare, etc.) to illegals. All three aspects have to be addressed. What the American people want first is stop the illegals from crossing the borders...then we'll work on who's here...ILLEGALLY. Concerning don't ask don't tell, as far as I'm concerned, the policy has been working. If the Department of Defense thinks chaning that policy won't hurt morale, maintain readiness, etc., then change it. Until then, the politicos, like Reid, need to stay the h*ll out of the decision. Hi, Blue Bunny, it's been awhile since we've talked. Hope all is well.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
16 Sep 10
I do have to interject and would like to be proven wrong. A certain Congressman comes to mind who eats lunch alone in Washington as the lobbyists have decided it is a waste of time and money to try to romance him. Ron Paul You can send the carrot supply to forest fires in colorado!
@cripfemme (7698)
• United States
16 Sep 10
I agree with amnesty. Anyone who wants to serve the country should be given citizenship, so that in case they die their families claim the full military benefits.
• United States
15 Sep 10
I certainly feel that amnesty for young people who join, and are accepted, into the military is acceptable as they are doing something important to defend our country. I am sure it is a campaign setup but a far cry from the blanket amnesty that his boss (Obama) wants to collect gratitude votes. I stress "and are accepted" because they will have to speak English, have the equivalent of a high school education, at least they will have to be somewhat literate!
@laglen (19759)
• United States
20 Sep 10
I agree whiteheather, they must be accepted.
• United States
20 Sep 10
Adoniah No way can this be a blanket amnesty for all their family members. This amnesty would only be awarded to young person (individual) who actually became a member of our military. NO SHORTCUTS for family members.
@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
16 Sep 10
And then their families get to stay too, and then their familes etc.,etc.,etc.
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@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
15 Sep 10
Step One.... Shalom~Adoniah
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
15 Sep 10
Personally, I don't want our military further bogged down by individuals joining for the perks. Now, I'm not knocking folks who join the military solely for education and a career. Most (most) certainly know what they're possibly getting into and are extremely brave men and women - good Americans whom I'm incredibly proud of. But... I'm not sure you can incentivise patriotism. You can't buy honor. So, on that front, I'm a bit worried that we'll end up with hordes of not-interested-in-service military men and women who all joined to receive "amnesty" and the rest of the package. To that end, I'm kinda cringing at the idea with my initial thinking on it. (I'm also against any type of draft where people are forced to fight, and I would have probably been 1/2 a Jane Fonda had I been alive in the 60s. ) Students receiving anmesty would only work, I think, if there was strict criteria to get into school at the collegiate level. The way I picture it shaping up, anyone checking the "Hispanic" box on their college application would be accepted to most schools--either the schools willingly playing ball or being forced to do so--and flooding schools with individuals who, forgive me, aren't smart enough or simply don't deserve to be there. Aspects of the military and colleges could become nothing more than immigrant smuggling rings. Or, more apt an analogy, money laundering. And who would fund these students' education? I know K-12 is 100% subsidized, but I don't know what the stats are now on how many people attending college on student visas are also subsidized. But I imagine that, should this become accepted in the US, we'd see a sharp increase in immigrants in our schools who, inevitably, move to the front of the line in the student loan department. Seems like more "social justice" BS to me. It's certainly not a solution-oriented measure. What's wrong with the current process of becoming an American citizen? No matter how much states like Arizona are trying to rein in the spread of illegals, no one is actually being removed from the country. For every Arizona law, another sanctuary opens. For every person deported, another 1,000 show up. Amnesty seems so far past counterproductive that I can't even find a word for it in my weak vocabulary.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
16 Sep 10
here is an auspicious word for your weak vocabulary - CRAP. I know, I know, laglen your sooo articulate! I think you pose a very true and observant scenario.
@advokatku (4033)
• Indonesia
15 Sep 10
amnesty (from the Greek, amnestia) is a legal action that returns the status of innocence to those who have legally found guilty earlier. Based on such understanding, in my opinion, amnesties were really only undermine the public sense of justice and sense of justice for victims who have been harmed due to unlawful acts by the inmate
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
15 Sep 10
I agree with that assessment.
@epicure35 (2814)
• United States
15 Sep 10
No amnesty; no Reid; no more corrupt, sneaky government traitors.
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