Bush tax cuts were only for the RICH

@bobmnu (8157)
United States
September 22, 2010 12:05am CST
When President Bush first proposed the tax cuts the Democrats pointed out that only the Rich would benefit and that the poor would be paying more in taxes. This tax revision would only hurt the poor and reduce their standard of living. President Obama ran on the idea that he would eliminate the Bush Era Tax Cuts so that the Middle Class could get a tax break. Now we are being told 10 years later that we need to keep the tax cut in place to prevent the Middle and lower classes from facing economic hardship by increased tax burden they would face. My question is which Democrats do we believe? Were the Bush tax cuts a cut only for the Rich and hurt the poor or did the poor get a great deal of tax relief from them and now will suffer in they are not extended. Which Democrats knowingly lied to the American people?
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@TTCCWW (579)
• United States
22 Sep 10
It is not what the democrats say it is what every economist says. American dept, lower middle class, less infrastructure, money oversea's with no taxes paid at all. Reagan's trickle down economics sounded good at the time but Bush should have looked at the numbers before he did this. This is not a democratic issue it is an American Issue and the Republicans need to stand up as well as the democrats and get honest about what works and what does not work.; "Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results". Einsteins definition of insanity
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
24 Sep 10
I agree and what we are doing now is what President Roosevelt (FDR) did and caused the depression to linger on and only WWII pulled us out but we did not see real economic growth until the 1950. The way to spur economic growth is to lower taxes and give the people more money to spend and purchase consumer goods and services. Let me see if I get what your are saying. Lower taxes does not help the economy. 1920 we face high unemployment a recession - President Coolidge reduces taxes and government spending the nation recovers and a few months. 1929 Stock market crash, high unemployment recession. President Hoover does nothing and President Roosevelt takes office. Massive Government spending, expands the role and size of government. Unemployment increases, recession becomes a depression. WWII starts and the President removes some of the restrictions and taxes on business. nation starts to recover. 1960 An economic down turn. President Kennedy lowers taxes and the country recovers 1970 Inflation increasing President Nixon starts wage and price controls. President Carter elected Inflation increases, unemployment increase, government control over gas prices - long gas lines limited supply. Inflation goes to double digit. Government expands with new Departments. 1980 President Reagan elected. Supply side economics tried. Lowe taxes, reduce government spending. Inflation is reduced, employment increases Government tax revenue increases. Long period of economic growth. 2001 economic slow down President Bush is elected. 9-11 happens economic down turn and we head toward a recession. Bush Tax cut take place. Economic growth with almost full employment, Home ownership increases for the next 6 years. Housing bubble burst, bank failures loom. Massive Government spending. President Obama elected massive stimulus bill passed to hold unemployment below 8%. unemployment goes to 9%. US Debt grows to record levels. largest government budget ever passed. Government hires more people than the private sector. Unemployment nears 10%. Another stimulus bill passes to save or create millions of public sector jobs. How does cutting taxes hurt?????
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
22 Sep 10
Don't you know Einstein was just one of those evil, elite scientists...lol? Annie
@TTCCWW (579)
• United States
22 Sep 10
I have heard reports from reliable, dependable sources, that he belonged to secret progressive society........He also believed in electriciy.
@elmiko (6630)
• United States
22 Sep 10
i don't know all the exact details of the new tax plain obama wants passed, but i do know the only people who will see their taxes increase under his proposal would be an individual making over $200,000 or a married couple making over $250,000.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
22 Sep 10
My memory seems to be a bit different from yours, Bob. I DO recall hearing that the rich would see the biggest benefits, something even the most conservative person can't possibly deny. I mean, my paltry few hundred dollars doesn't quite compare to the six figure savings a millionaire got! The question now is should all of the tax cuts be extended or even made permanent without having to be "paid for"? Are the deficit hawks on the right suddenly not concerned about the deficit or debt, at least when it means more money in the investment accounts of the wealthiest two percent among us? If the Republicans wanted these tax cuts to last forever, why didn't they pass the bill stating that when they had the majority? Annie
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
22 Sep 10
"The question now is should all of the tax cuts be extended or even made permanent without having to be 'paid for'?" I don't like the term "paid for" when referring to tax cuts. Taxes are revenue. They are what "pays for" other things. You don't pay for tax cuts as they are simply a decrease in revenue from specific sources. If you get a paycut at work, and many of us have, do you say "this paycut isn't 'paid for'? "If the Republicans wanted these tax cuts to last forever, why didn't they pass the bill stating that when they had the majority?" Frankly I think they made the tax cuts last too long to end them now. They were originally intended to stimulate the economy. That worked and we got out of the Clinton recession. Extending them beyond that was purely political to score points with the public. Now that they've been in effect for nearly 10 years, rescinding them is effectively a tax hike and at the worst possible time. Right now, NOTHING is really paid for. We have a $1.5 trillion deficit. Democrats have already shown what a joke their "pay as you go" is by continuing to pass bills with new spending and nothing to pay for it. Then they've made sure to demonize any republican who refuses to sign off on things like extending unemployment benefits without paying for it.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
23 Sep 10
First lets remember that the US taxes INCOME not WEALTH. If you were taxed on $10,000 or $1,000,000, you did something to earn that money. You produced a good or service. If the government taxes you the more you make the more they take then you are tax on being productive. To avoid paying taxes you simply become less productive. Annie you said that your few hundred dollars did not compare to the 6 figures a millionaire got. In 2010 if you look at a person who earned $10,000 (in taxable income) he paid $1,018 or 10.81% of their income. So in a normal week he would work 4 hours to pay their taxes. In 2000 if you look at a person who earned $10,000 (in taxable income) he paid $1,500 or 15% of their income. So in a normal week he would work 6 hours to pay their taxes. The Bush tax cut gave this man $481 or 4.81% pay increase. In 2010 if you look at a person who earned $1,000,000 (in taxable income) he paid $327,644 or 37.37% of his income. In a typical week he would work just over 13 hours to pay his taxes. In 2000 if you look at a person who earned $1,000,000 (in taxable income) he paid $373,670 or 37.37% of his income. In a typical week he would work just over 15 hours to pay his taxes. The Bush tax cuts gave this man $42,026 or a 4.2% pay increase. In both cases the people received a similar %age increase in pay and both worked about 2 hours a week less to pay their taxes. To me this seems fair. What is not fair is that one man worked 3 times longer to pay his taxes and paid 322 times more taxes yet he only got back $1 for every $12 in taxes paid. While the other man who earned $10,000 got back $1 for every $2 paid in taxes. Why is it fair for one person to work 13 hours for the government while another only works 4 hours when they are both being served by the same government which stresses that all should be treated equally. I used the tax calculator at http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm for my tax data.
• United States
22 Sep 10
Fox business did a report on this last week and said a family of four making $50.000 a year will be paying $2,900 more in tax a year if the Bush tax's cuts expire.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
23 Sep 10
Someone making $50,000 a year shouldn't lose the tax cut. They're the ones that actually put their money back into the economy. Annie
• United States
23 Sep 10
Personally I am a part of the middle class and I don't pay a dime in federal income taxes. Please explain to me how it is that you can cut nothing? The thing that makes me laugh about the Bush taxes cuts is that we all know that they should have been repealed years ago because they aren't working. What I don't understand is why no one has proposed to eliminate this tax cuts, and put in ones that might actually do something. The Bush tax cuts will cost $900 Billion over 10 years, so all of those republican deficit hawks sure look stupid when they say: Lets cut the deficit, but add $900 Billion before we do that. Please explain this logic to me?
@dboman (457)
• United States
22 Sep 10
It's funny how things change when the facts are out there for everyone to see, isn't it? For years, we heard that Bush's tax cuts only helped the rich and we argued in vain that they helped everyone. Now, the issue of extending them comes up and the same people who told us they only benefited the rich are telling us that "the middle class" would benefit if we extended them. Interesting. Better yet, the administration and media are trying to "re-label" the extension w/out the top 2% as the "Obama tax cuts". In reality, they are just an extension of the Bush tax cuts. How's that for dishonesty?
@laglen (19759)
• United States
22 Sep 10
clearly cutting taxes was BUSH'S FAULT! It is always I was for it before I was against it before I was for it. OY!
@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
22 Sep 10
The Bush tax cuts were for everyone... everyone benefited from them, and there was even a new tax bracket added that dropped the lowest taxes from 15% to 10%. If the tax cuts expire, so does that 10% bracket. The democrats that said the Bush tax cuts only favored the rich are the ones that have been doing the lying. Now there are 31 democrats who oppose 0blabla and Piglosi in letting the tax cuts expire... including the ones for the "evil rich". http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/democrats-pelosi-obama-bush/2010/09/17/id/370684?s=al&promo_code=AC84-1 Apparently some of the democrats are finally seeing that tax cuts do spur the economy while tax increases slow it.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
22 Sep 10
This is always a topic I try to avoid. Being a small business owner (although not a typical business) and knowing many small business owners out there that qualify as "rich" because of the money they make before paying all their X and Y, simply making it is considered taking it. Neither side separates what "rich" is. If they'd start and be specific, then maybe legislation could work around the little guys while hitting ONLY those that can afford to be hit.