President Obama wants wiretap authority to monitor cell phones, Internet
By bobmnu
@bobmnu (8157)
United States
September 27, 2010 11:54pm CST
There is a report in the New York Times that the President will ask Congress for a law to make it easier to monitor the Internet including social networking, to require Internet providers to maintain records of where you visit and to make it available to the government. It would also require that Cell Phones like Blackberries provide a means to read encrypted messages, similar to what China and several middle eastern countries require.
President Obama spoke out against the Bush Administration for the Patriot Act and this seems to go beyound that and now he is in favor of the government having such power.
Details of what is covered and how it would work are not available at this time. Should the government have such power?
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@Qaeyious (2357)
• United States
28 Sep 10
The article stated that warrants will still be required, it is just that there are some new technologies that make it impossible for service providers to provide the information when the warrant is served. Peer to Peer networking was mentioned as one technology that hides information from authorities.
The article compared it to a 1994 law that required digital phones to have the information available when served with a warrant.
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@TTCCWW (579)
• United States
28 Sep 10
I have been listening to this for two days now and I was waiting for decent information. News Hour finally discussed this last night.
Out of the 2500 FISA warrents they got last year they want to be able to track approximatly 20% of those with this new law. The difference between what the president, and most of the rest of the thinking country with the patriot act was that they wwere bypasing FISA rules and not getting warrents.
According to the government folks they had on last night this would be affect 200 people a year and requires a warrent.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
28 Sep 10
I'd definitely need to have more information before passing judgment on this but if those who have said a warrant will be necessary I don't think it will be a problem. Let's just say for the sake of argument that someone managed to build a bomb and blow up a building resulting in multiple casualties and great damage. Let's say that after the fact it's learned this person had done many searches and posted on social networking sites about his intentions and the government had done nothing about it. I think we know who would be blamed for this, don't we?
Annie
@djbtol (5493)
• United States
29 Sep 10
Your illustration of bomb building reminds me of when (also during the Bush years) the government wanted access to library records so they could see who had been reading books about bomb making or other terrorist activity. If you remember, there was quite an uproar about the violation of privacy by government. And now many want to open the door and say that our electronic communications and associations can be investigated by the government.
These issues, regarding our key liberties, are too important to be discussed or decided in the context of political debate. No matter what the political party in charge, we want to be careful how far we let the government go. Once the government worms their way into a part of your life, they are not likely to leave easily.
djbtol
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
7 Oct 10
I don't necessarily disagree with you at all. I'm just saying this is a really shady area and to be frank I'm GLAD I'll never be the one to make decisions about it. I don't want "the government" or anyone else to know what I read online or what books I read nor do I want them listening in on my private telephone conversations. I'm not doing anything wrong or illegal and I'm certainly not planning any kind of terror attack but I simply value my privacy. It's such a fine line here. Like I said, depending on who happens to be in power if or when something terrible happens there WILL be those who will blame them for not "connecting the dots".
Annie
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
7 Oct 10
One of the problems is that these site will have to maintain records of of what is written and said on their sights. In your case Annie your message would be flagged because of the B building words and the mention of a Terror Attack.
In some ways it is like the Mylot restriction on certain words. If you mention the short form of Richard (the one that begins with a D) you will be flagged. I was responding to a posting on the Delaware Senate race and it would not let me put in Christine O'Donalds opponent's name.
If they have to get a warrant and then only for specific people and not a fishing expedition where they look for anyone who mentions a bom* or some other word they decide is a threat. We have already had the Secretary of Homeland Security saying Veterans should be watched as possible terrorists. What happens if down the road a leader decides that those who criticize the government are terrorists and need to be watched just like J Edgar Hoover did during his career.
I would have to agree with you Annie that they must have a warrant.
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@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
28 Sep 10
I guess them that voted for Obama won't mind after all they voted for change.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
29 Sep 10
If, as some folks have said, warrants will be required, I see no problem with including additional forms of communication. The government does need to have the power to investigate "chatter"...with good cause.
@djbtol (5493)
• United States
29 Sep 10
Once they have the power to investigate, they will take the power to control.
djbtol
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
28 Sep 10
No. This is just an extention of the patriot act. Which is unconstitutional. Obama even ran AGAINST the patriot act and actions like this by our government when he was campaigning. Guess he forgot. Or was lying.
The government needs to get out of our private lives...not further into them.
When is this invasion of our privacy going to stop? I guess the government feels we don't have a right to privacy.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
28 Sep 10
That is what concerns me. He was opposed to the Patriot Act but now want more power. It is just like he wanted the terrorist to have all the right of Americans yet he is using unmanned drones to take out suspected terrorist in foreign countries. He was opposed to such things but when he is in power it is fine.
@djbtol (5493)
• United States
29 Sep 10
I have not seen the article yet, but this is totally believable. As you have already pointed out, one of the first things that comes to mind is how obama and the left consistently badgered GW Bush about tapping the phones of those possibly connected with terrorists activity. They declared it absolutely horrible; of course they said there was no war.
Now Obama clearly has a war in mind and you don't even need to cross the ocean. When it comes to those who oppose the liberal left and the great obama Hussein, they do not believe there is such a thing as freedom of speech. Obama has threatened before to track people that oppose and try to shut him down. It was the same thing when they wanted to shut down Rush Limbaugh with something called the Fairness doctrine.
The obama failure is underway, but it cannot come soon enough!
@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
28 Sep 10
No, the government should not have this kind of power.
In fact, in my opinion the entire Patriot Act should be repealed and Homeland Security should be scrapped.
It is none of the governments business what sites I visit, what games I play, and what searches I conduct... nor is it any of their business what I discuss on the phone, what I say on the internet, or even what I think.
All of these things are a matter of privacy.
For those who would say that if you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't worry, I say that is irrelevant.
If the government suspects me of wrongdoing, then let them get a warrant as the law requires.
This of course is only my opinion which I am entitled to and have every right to hold.
If anyone is offended by this opinion, then their only recourse is to get over themselves.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
28 Sep 10
The government went should be able to search the records if they have probable cause(strict legal term) to suspect you of wrong doing and can get a judge to sign a warrant. What I am opposed to is when the government uses a law to go on a fishing expedition to try to find people who might be doing something wrong.
@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
30 Sep 10
Obama said things against the patriot act but his congress approved an extension on it. Which grants these kinds of powers to the President and well the whole monitoring thing is for our safety I am sure from terrorist like the Republican and Democratic parties have combined to be terrorist to this nation and all of them need to be tried on crimes against the United States of America. Oh and the charge Treason! I want good old fashion treason executions too.
@LetranKnight25 (33117)
• Philippines
28 Sep 10
Hello Bob,
I am not sure, can't speak much on this information that you shared. But from what I can recall, "INTERNET" itself came from the United States and anything from the internet can already be monitored by US Military, most likely, THE CIA or other intelligence agencies. SO, I wonder why are you so surprised about this.
Basically, every known article that is posted in the Internet is already known by your government. so, i am confused to why President has to make it Legal with the support of legislators. surely, if they(legislators) are guilty of corruption, there's no way they'll agree to this. and for what's more, they might counter this as an act against privacy.
But I fear in the Long Run, this wiretap authority could slowly deteriorate Free Speech.Oh, please not in the United States. besides, they're (Military, CIA, FBI, NSA, and others) unofficially doing it already..@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
28 Sep 10
I may be wrong but the information they could get from Internet providers would be they could request information on all people who have done a search for How to make a bomb or who has visited certain web sights. Just visiting a web sight or searching for information is not illegal but now they may have a reason to look further into your activities.
Remember during the Clinton Administration there was a concern that the administration got the IRS records of their political opponents and several of the people complained about being audited every year by the IRS. There was fight over returning the IRS files and it was a long time in being resolved. If you go back in History you will find similar examples of where a President took extreme action to protect the administration. President Lincoln had reporters, who were reporting events in an unfavorable light, arrested during the Civil War. He sent troops into state legislatures when they voted on secession.
I have no problem with the government obtaining a warrant if they have a reasonable suspicion of criminal actions, but I do have a problem with them going on fishing expeditions trying to find things that people might be doing wrong. I am opposed to parts of the Patriot Act where they could go in a search library record to see who had checked out certain books. If they have a person they suspect and can get a warrant based on proof then that is different but to do a general search is wrong.
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