The amoeba, result of accident or product of a Master Designer?
By formidexo
@formidexo (1351)
Canada
September 29, 2010 9:02pm CST
Chemical engineer M. S. Keringthan wrote the following to the Toronto Globe & Mail:
“My estimate is that an amoeba [a one-celled animal] consists of about 100-quadrillion atoms, principally carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, with trace amounts of others such as phosphorus, calcium and sulphur. All of these would be in compounds not easily decomposed.
“The evolutionist says, in effect, that this number of atoms, in the correct ratio, accidentally met together, split from the existing compounds, and reassembled themselves into a living amoeba. . . .
“Do we find amoebas forming in this way? Can we put the chemicals into a test tube and make an amoeba? The answer is no, so it is wrong to say it happened in the past. . . . The hypothesis of evolution collapses on the origin of life; some other explanation for the creation of life is needed.”
The amoeba, result of accident or product of a Master Designer?
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@TheMetallion (1834)
• United States
30 Sep 10
If anyone suggested that an Amoeba spontaneously formed out of atoms, this wouldn't be a scarecrow argument. They don't, and it is.
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@TheMetallion (1834)
• United States
30 Sep 10
Jupiter Crashing has pegged it exactly: The chemist you quote does not refute evolution. Instead, he's made up something that evolution does not suggest -- an amoeba forming out of atoms all of a sudden -- and argues against it. This is a common debating trick called a "straw man" or "scarecrow" argument, and it's employed by people when they realize they can't actually refute the argument they want to refute.
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@jupitercrashing (635)
• Canada
30 Sep 10
First of all, you are quoting a newspaper article from 1970. A lot can change in 40 years, I hope you realize.
Secondly, I believe what TheMetallion is rightly saying is that you are asserting that all evolutionary scientists believe amoebas spontaneously came to being. However, this is not what evolutionary scientists believe. Therefore, your argument is fallacious (ie. complete hogwash and not to be taken seriously.)
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@formidexo (1351)
• Canada
30 Sep 10
Thanks for replying!
I'm sorry but I do not understand your statement. If you would care to elaborate, I would appreciate it.
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@RobtheRock (2433)
• United States
30 Sep 10
I didn't see this as being simultaneously. Yet it is hard to imagine this happening over time by accident without some kind of designer. To me, the fact that we can describe how its done means its possible that it has been done by some higher intelligence. Today we are doing things that we have studied and learned from observation and experimentation such as nuclear fusion and fission. Those are natural processes. So if we can do it, (and there will be other things man will be able to do over time), then there must be some higher intelligence or intelligences that can do it.
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@TheMetallion (1834)
• United States
5 Oct 10
If you roll a six-sided die once, you may be surprised if you get a six. How about if you roll it six times? If you rolled it sixty times, would you be more surprised if some of the results were sixes, or if none of them were?
The same principal applies to this hypothetical deck of cards -- if you toss it 53 factorial times, it's not surprising if they come up in order once.
The odds of atoms spontaneously turning into an amoeba are even rarer still, however the probability of it happening isn't important because no one suggests atoms turned into an amoeba except creationists who can't actually argue against what evolution does say happens.
If you're argument is that God is the explanation for things that do not happen, like atoms turning into an amoeba, I won't argue, but I'd think you'd have a more interesting theology if you tried to link your God to things that actually do happen.
@formidexo (1351)
• Canada
1 Oct 10
Rob, thanks for your comment. Let's all think for a moment. For something to come alive it would need a lot of components and they would have to be together all at the same time. Now let's just take an example of a deck of cards made up of just 52 cards. Let's throw them up in the air as many times as we want. What are the chances that they would end up chronologically?
Then we have another problem. Who made the cards? Another problem, who designed the different characters on the cards? Another problem, who made the complex paper and inks that make up the cards? And another problem, who threw them up in the air? Wouldn't we have to admit that someone ingenious was at work here?
What would be the problem of calling this person God? I mean, anyone that can do all that would merit the title of God!
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@formidexo (1351)
• Canada
3 Oct 10
52 factorial = 8.06581752 × 10 (67)
But how many complicated atoms does an amoeba have?
Chemical engineer M. S. Keringthan wrote the following to the Toronto Globe & Mail:
“My estimate is that an amoeba [a one-celled animal] consists of about 100-quadrillion atoms."
Your choice and my choice: God or Evolution?
@buenavida (9985)
• Sweden
1 Oct 10
I suggest that those who are interested in learning to know a scientist who believes in creation, make a search with the name Matti Leisola. There is information in English too. 
He is well known in Finland A long time ago he started wondering why people could believe in evolution. He had found in an early stage of his research that the evolution theory falls apart when it is examined more closely.
Then he understood that it was much about what could be called "authority tyranny".
People who express a different opinion - even a well founded - would not be so popular in our society. They could lose economical help for their research too.
So many of the academics are afraid of thinking and saying what they think officially.
All above according to professor Leisola. I am not so good at discussing science but I thought this could be a small contribution.
Wish you all a great day..
He is well known in Finland A long time ago he started wondering why people could believe in evolution. He had found in an early stage of his research that the evolution theory falls apart when it is examined more closely.
Then he understood that it was much about what could be called "authority tyranny".
People who express a different opinion - even a well founded - would not be so popular in our society. They could lose economical help for their research too.
So many of the academics are afraid of thinking and saying what they think officially.
All above according to professor Leisola. I am not so good at discussing science but I thought this could be a small contribution.
Wish you all a great day..@formidexo (1351)
• Canada
3 Oct 10
There are many scientists that believe in creation and many that believe in evolution. At the end of the day, each one of us will make a choice and each one of us will one day answer for the choice we make and the consequences that come with it.
God could be more clear in his revelation of himself if He wanted. But it seems that He reveals a lot to those who want to know Him and nothing to those that don't.
Be well!
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@formidexo (1351)
• Canada
3 Oct 10
This scripture just came to my mind:
1 Chronicles 28:9 (New International Version) "And you, my son Solomon (But we could put our name her), acknowledge the God of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the LORD searches every heart and understands every motive behind the thoughts. If you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever.
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@buenavida (9985)
• Sweden
3 Oct 10
Great scripture, we should meditate it often.
Looks like we can come up with a million things to prove that there is a Creator, and still only those who have an open mind and sincerely seek God, will find him.
I think that many times the scientists want to be honored themselves instead of giving the honor to the One who created everything.
But it is great that there are those who humbly admit that there is a great Designer who made us and all marvelous things around us.
@urbandekay (18278)
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30 Sep 10
Yet the amoeba is not the most simple form of life, so the suggestion would be not that it arose spontaneously but that it evolved from simpler forms; bacteria perhaps. So much for M.S. Keringthan
all the best urban
@urbandekay (18278)
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30 Sep 10
You have entirely missed the point, please read more carefully. I said more simple and it is true that a bacteria is more simple than an amoeba. Evolution does NOT suggest that amoebas arose spontaneously.
all the best urban
@urbandekay (18278)
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30 Sep 10
Just read the comments of Metallion and Jupiter... above, they are absolutely correct, this is a straw man argument
all the best urban
@formidexo (1351)
• Canada
30 Sep 10
There is no such thing as a 'simple form of life" as bacteria is very complicated since it is alive, it digests food and reproduces at an alarming speed.
It took an amazing amount of intelligence to produce the computer that I am using and it can't do any of the things that bacteria can do.
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@maygodblessu44 (7336)
• India
30 Sep 10
Hello my friend formidexo Ji,
I do not find literally qualigfied to make proper response, but I as a lay-woman and with Art back-ground woul fall under your catagory of thinking, as even after having all those consituents as per Chemiocal engineer, one thing he for got about 'Life (Pran)', how anyone will substitute. It will be lump of all chemiical substances mentioned, also shape as Master dseigner desinged. Thanks.
May God bless You and have a great time.
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@formidexo (1351)
• Canada
30 Sep 10
maygodblessu44, thanks for commenting! 
Let's put it this way: If you found a beautiful painting with many colors, painted with many different materials, many images and in three dimension, would you not conclude that an intelligent and talented Master Artist must have painted it?
It's the same with everything in life. There is a Grand Creator who is absolutely astounding in his creativity and versatility and we should give him the honor and respect and love he deserves.
You have a great day my friend!
Let's put it this way: If you found a beautiful painting with many colors, painted with many different materials, many images and in three dimension, would you not conclude that an intelligent and talented Master Artist must have painted it?
It's the same with everything in life. There is a Grand Creator who is absolutely astounding in his creativity and versatility and we should give him the honor and respect and love he deserves.
You have a great day my friend! 3 people like this
@maygodblessu44 (7336)
• India
1 Oct 10
Hello my friend formidexo Ji,
So nice of you for your immediate comments. mThe basic theory is that every individual wants to prove that he/she are supreme at all places, forgetting gretest of great, eho created them. Our master is graet and no one can supercede. HIM.Take care.
May God bless You and have a great time.
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@formidexo (1351)
• Canada
1 Oct 10
We have to remember how fragile we are. When we were in our mother's womb we were very fragile and needed our mother to nourish and protect us. We may be an adult and think that we are so clever and and so smart but our life is very fragile and can end suddenly. We should not forget our Heavenly Father who can restore our life and give us an everlasting future. May we stay humble and appreciative and put away arrogance and pride. Take care my friend!
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