Rich church but in debt?

United States
October 6, 2010 3:07pm CST
Can anyone explain what this means? I keep reading that the American church has enough money to alleviate much of the poverty OF THE WORLD. One place I just read it again is in a book called "The Hole in our Gospel" by Richard Stearns. 1. What is the "American church"? American has many different churches, organizations of churches, and home gatherings. It's not like we have a national church. 2. Even if somehow it's true that the American church has all this money, how? Because the other thing we always hear is that America is in billions or trillions of dollars in debt! If you're in debt, that means you DON'T have money! I really don't get it. Does anyone have more of a clue than I do? (Meaning, does it make sense to someone at all, because to me it doesn't.)
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@peavey (16936)
• United States
6 Oct 10
I'll try to answer part of your question, anyway. The "American church" is generally all the organized Christian churches or denominations. As a whole, they might seem to have money, but like so many Americans, their money is an illusion. There may be a large, expensive building and the pastors may wear new suits and drive nice cars, there may be plush carpeting on the floor, but the church probably owes at least as much as the building is worth. The fact is that no church needs a huge, fancy building and if they'd take the money they spend for that and help people, the way the Bible tells them to, then they might very well be able to alleviate a good portion of the poverty in the world. Not all of it, because there are some who are just determined to be poor and Jesus said we have the poor with us always - but there is a lot of good that could be done instead of making sure the pastor has a new car and the pews are comfortable.
@peavey (16936)
• United States
7 Oct 10
One guy called by God, getting together with like minded people... that's the way it used to be. Unfortunately, we humans can't seem to leave well enough alone, so now they (the churches) are pretty much "under the authority" of the denominational headquarters instead of just going their way and following however God leads them. I'm getting way in over my head here, but that hasn't stopped me before... not all TV evangelists are evil, I agree. It's sad that there are any at all, though, since for some people, that's all they know about Christianity. Now, to churches and politicians and money... your question is like asking why a person can die of dehydration adrift on an ocean of water. Most of the "money" talked about isn't in a usable form. It's in the form of bank notes, debt contracts and so on. Here's an example I read that blows my mind. When a bank loans money to someone, they add on the total interest to the debt and that becomes money, whether it's paid or not. If a borrower defaults on the loan, the bank "loses money" even though the principal may have already been paid. Money is a strange concept!
• United States
7 Oct 10
I can just about get that interest as money concept - the bank has to be paid for loaning the money (salaries, research time, investors, etc.) - so in effect, they DO lose money when the interest isn't paid. The lack of water while floating in the ocean still annoys me, it just is so fundamentally wrong! But true, nonetheless. Sounds like the "American church" really couldn't do all we're told they/we can. Money that isn't in a usable form and can't be converted into a usable form isn't money.
• United States
7 Oct 10
Thank you. I suppose the people claiming this are referring to all churches combined. I didn't even know for a long time that churches were organizations. I thought some guy was called by God, got together with other likeminded people, rented a building, and they all started doing God things from there. Like preaching, meeting, collecting things for poor people, etc. Then I heard there were main churches (don't know the word but like a headquarters of a business). Oh, well, don't know, don't really care how it all works officially. I know churches support missionaries and programs either in the country or in foreign countries but I don't know about all this money. I've only been to one church where there was a nice building and a pastor with a nice car; usually they are on a par or even poorer than the people attending. I don't watch TV much but of course I know about those TV evangelists - I don't automatically assume they're evil just because they're on TV. They may very well be supporting and helping whole cities in other countries, I don't know. But if it's true that these people have tons of money and we know our politicians have money that isn't theirs, how is America in so much debt? Maybe I just don't really want to know.
@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
6 Oct 10
"The Catholic church is the biggest financial power, wealth accumulator and property owner in existence. She is a greater possessor of material riches than any other single institution, corporation, bank, giant trust, government or state of the whole globe. The Pope, as the visible ruler of this immense amount of amassed wealth, is consequently the richest individual of the twentieth century. No one can realistically assess how much he is worth in terms of billions of dollars." Its a fact that many churches have closed due to financial difficulties. Some have been renovated to family homes, others torn down to make space for more progressive business. Christianity makes sense to those educated in Church Schools, kids who have been brainwashed since the age of 5, but to those of us who have been trained to think for ourselves, Organized Religion makes no sense at all!
• United States
7 Oct 10
Perhaps this makes no sense to you, but I was talking about the so-called "American church". I know many Americans are catholic but that's an Italian church.
• United States
7 Oct 10
I was raised to think for myself, never heard of God, Jesus, all that until I was a teenager but I'm able to understand Christianity. You have to understand that there is another level to life than what many see in everyday life, and experience the interconnectedness of everything to go beyond the religious teachings we in America usually start with, that's all.