Let's discuss the "Lords Prayer"

@allknowing (130292)
India
October 26, 2010 11:32pm CST
Most catholics will include the "Lord's Prayer" in their daily routine. Looking at it from a different angle I notice that God wants us to praise Him and that is what this prayer is all about. Also it says "Our Father....." but not "My father....". My question is - why are we asked[i][/i]to praise and why can't we just have a one one one dialogue with God?
7 responses
@veganbliss (3895)
• Adelaide, Australia
29 Oct 10
Yes, that's a good point. We shouldn't be forced or asked to praise God & God never asked us to do this. We can & should have a one on one dialogue with God everyday, just as Jesus & his disciples & the prophets before him did. If we cannot do this by ourselves we should find someone who can show us how to do this. It seems Bible Scholars disagree about Jesus' meaning in the Lord's Prayer. Some see it as "existential", referring to man's present experience on earth, while others view it as "eschatological", referring to the coming Kingdom of God. Further questions must be asked regarding the existence of other translations & the problems inherent in the process of translation from Aramaic into Greek & then Latin & then Old English & finally modern English. So, in answer to your original question, the original Lord's Prayer in Aramaic actually speaks about & encourages the one on one dialogue with God & is much more mystical than the version we now have.
• Adelaide, Australia
1 Nov 10
To answer the rest of your question: This is the prayer (or so the Holy Bible says), that Jesus taught his disciples to pray. The reason why "Our Father" was used, instead of "My Father" can be worked out if we look at the "...but forgive us our sins" line of the Lord's Prayer. As many will tell you, Jesus was without sin. Therefore to use "My Father" would imply Jesus had sinned & was in need of forgiveness. So "Our Father" was used as Jesus taught this prayer to his sinning disciples.
• India
27 Oct 10
Lord’s Prayer is not just about praising God. We address him as our father and not just my father because he is father to all. In second line of the prayer we just call him sacred, consecrated or blessed. Next we seek his kingdom because his kingdom is not of this earth. When we ask him for our daily bread it is not the bread we eat daily. The bread we eat to sustain ourselves is the bread we have to earn through sweat of our brow. God does not give that bread for asking. We are asking for the bread that came to us from Heaven. We are asking him from bread of life that is Jesus Christ. We ask God to forgive our sins in the same measure we forgive those who sin against us. God knows we have an unforgiving nature. If we do not forgive others, we also do not deserve to be forgiven. Finally, we are seeking deliverance from evil. Compare it with the prayer we would address it to any earthly authority and we would find no difference.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
30 Oct 10
Hi allknowing! You can certainly have dialogues with God and great saints have done it.In my religion too, I have read about great people talking to God, getting lovingly angry with Him etc.., Personally, I feel that we have been asked to praise God for one simple reason --when we praise someone wholeheartedly we honestly recognise them for their greatness.With ordinary human beings it is so. In this case you have mentioned it develops a level of inner recognition for the countless Blessings He has showered upon us .This makes a human being aware of the blessed life he has and helps him develop a positive attitude to life.THis may be one of the reasons. WHether a person wants to do it or not is an individual call.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
30 Oct 10
Regarding your question about'our' father instead of 'my' father, I feel, it may be because it was taught to groups of people initially and so the word' our' would have been used.Moreover, each individual would have had his own [human]father and here is the Father of all .Orphans are termed GOd's children isn't it? It gives a feeling of belonging to everyone.[I am only trying to think of possible explanations.]
• India
27 Oct 10
Lord’s Prayer is not just about praising God. We address him as our father and not just my father because he is father to all. In second line of the prayer we just call him sacred, consecrated or blessed. Next we seek his kingdom because his kingdom is not of this earth. When we ask him for our daily bread it is not the bread we eat daily. The bread we eat to sustain ourselves is the bread we have to earn through sweat of our brow. God does not give that bread for asking. We are asking for the bread that came to us from Heaven. We are asking him from bread of life that is Jesus Christ. We ask God to forgive our sins in the same measure we forgive those who sin against us. God knows we have an unforgiving nature. If we do not forgive others, we also do not deserve to be forgiven. Finally, we are seeking deliverance from evil. Compare it with the prayer we would address it to any earthly authority and we would find no difference.
@allknowing (130292)
• India
27 Oct 10
I was only highlighting the fact that God wants us to praise him and ofcourse I know the prayers contain all of what you have mentioned.
• India
28 Oct 10
God not only expects you to praise him but he also want that you must adore him and worship him. Who would draw a benefit from it? Certainly not God but the one who adores, love and worship God. I am sure you would ask what benefit a person would draw by simply adoring, praising and worshiping God. That is the question you asked. You might have come across many youngsters having a close resemblance to a popular male or female actor. They look like them, walk like them and talk like them. They are quite proud to have such look-alike features. How does it happen? They develop a close resemblance because they love those actors. They literally love them, adore them and even worship them. If someone loves, adores and worships God, the Godliness begin to seep into his conduct. He turns good, he turns truthful; it makes him honest, he turn loving and caring. This is the advantage of loving, praising and adoring God. Most of the religions give you only a lesson in morality. They ask you do this and do not do this. They ask you to master the art of pretense and master the opposing tendencies. It is true that if one does so he does develop a semblance of goodness; but it does not make him really good. The goodness does not become part of his nature. Jesus gave the commandment love your God with your heart, your soul and your strength. He asked us to adore and worship God and do nothing else. That is the reason I believe that Christianity is the true religion.
@allknowing (130292)
• India
28 Oct 10
I found this thing about God asking us to praise Him not quite in order as we as human beings have been told not to do it. It would look odd if I asked you to praise me. Just a thought achilles!
• United States
27 Oct 10
I am Catholic and I talk to God every night like he's an old friend. I tell him everything freely. I do not hold anything back. I don't become worried about being judged or looked at differently. He made me, so I am able to talk to him with no strings attached. He loves me and sees me through. I do not say the Lords prayer...But I do say St. Joseph's 30 day prayer, and I also say the "Now I lay me down to sleep" prayer, and I have normal prayers I say when it's just one on one with me and God. I think they say OUR God because he is not JUST my God or your God, but he is the God to anyone who needs him and chooses to accept him into their life.
@allknowing (130292)
• India
28 Oct 10
That's a good thing that you have a one on one relationship with God. I also have that relationship. I was only trying to understand this prayer "Our father...." better which incidentally seems to be is not your prayer. To each his/her own. I accept that.
@turikusi (66)
• Philippines
28 Oct 10
For me, praising God is a way of giving back or thanking Him for everything that He has done for us. We owe everything, including our lives to Him, so it is just right to praise God.
@allknowing (130292)
• India
28 Oct 10
I do that all the time but the fact that God Himself expects us to praise Him was the subject of this discussion!
• India
27 Oct 10
Lord’s Prayer is not just about praising God. We address him as our father and not just my father because he is father to all. In second line of the prayer we just call him sacred, consecrated or blessed. Next we seek his kingdom because his kingdom is not of this earth. When we ask him for our daily bread it is not the bread we eat daily. The bread we eat to sustain ourselves is the bread we have to earn through sweat of our brow. God does not give that bread for asking. We are asking for the bread that came to us from Heaven. We are asking him from bread of life that is Jesus Christ. We ask God to forgive our sins in the same measure we forgive those who sin against us. God knows we have an unforgiving nature. If we do not forgive others, we also do not deserve to be forgiven. Finally, we are seeking deliverance from evil. Compare it with the prayer we would address it to any earthly authority and we would find no difference.