Do you think good looking women get more promotion?

@scheng1 (24716)
Singapore
November 10, 2010 9:44pm CST
I was arguing this point with my friend the other day. She spent a lot of money on her cosmetic and facial plus spa treatment. She said that good looking persons get more promotion, while I disagree with her viewpoint. When you read about those women holding the senior management position, such as CEO or CFO or other senior managerial posts, most of them are intelligent and hard, certainly not those who are very good looking. Those women holding political office are not really that good looking either. They do not have film star beauty. That is why I feel good looks can only get a person to a certain level. After that, the abilities count. What do you think? Do you think good looking women get more promotions to the point of holding senior management positions?
14 responses
@kingparker (9692)
• United States
31 May 11
No, definitely not. From day to day experience, and my observation, majority of those good looking ladies rather spent more time on their make up and plastic surgery, rather on really practice on their brain. So, I think they are really dumb in some point. While others, who show their true ability at all areas of work, they are the true talent among of us all.
@scheng1 (24716)
• Singapore
1 Jun 11
Hi Kingparker, fortunately plastic surgery is not the norm over here. Over here, the focus is on higher education, since many Asian parents came from poor family background. They want their children to excel in studies so that they can get better jobs. As a result, many people are highly educated. It is not that rare to see good looking people with brains as well. I think the very unfortunate case is that they know how to make use of their brains to unfair advantage. To their subordinates, they were fierce and mean. To their bosses, they were meek as lamb. That is why they have more promotions over their peers. I think only in engineering and technical aspects that good looking women are on a losing game. Those are the jobs that do not require high heel or make up.
@rosdimy (3936)
• Malaysia
12 Nov 10
There is a variable of factors involved. Whatever, it cannot be denied that beauty does play a part in most cases. Either beauty captivates and clouds the judgement of the person(s) involved in the final decision, or it influences the decision because indirectly it makes it seem that the intelligence and skills possessed by the woman are better than they actually are. On the other hand the experience that I had, and the observations that I made, may not be applicable to the rest of the world.
@scheng1 (24716)
• Singapore
12 Nov 10
Hi Rosdimy, I think in many parts of the world, it is in fact harder for beautiful women to reach top position. Most people have the idea that beauty and brain do not coexist. That means a beautiful woman is not so smart, and an intelligent person is not that beautiful. With this kind of thinking, it is hard for them to gain promotions all the way to the top. However, beautiful persons do have an edge when it comes to the matter of getting a job. Some jobs really need beautiful women, such as air stewardess job in Singapore Airline. On top of looks, the weight and height must meet the stringent requirement set by the company. However, I do not see the top management of Singapore Airlines comprises of all the beautiful women.
@babyEj (1523)
• Philippines
12 Nov 10
Well you are right, that ideal standards for managerial posts are those employees who got talent, skills, wit and beauty.. If you're going to look at the order of words I have written beauty is the last. However, reality check there are company's who are much into physical appearance of employee. Well, if surgery or buying cosmetics and beauty products is just a piece of penny for you then it's okay, if not well dwel on the other side.
@scheng1 (24716)
• Singapore
12 Nov 10
Hi BabyEj, actually at the managerial level, they do not have much contact with the customers. For Singapore Airlines, good look is a must for entry level as flight stewardess. They must have a minimum height requirement, a maximum weight requirement plus good looks. The minute they exceed the maximum weight by one pound, the airline grounds them. They cannot fly until they slim down. However, in the senior managerial team of Singapore Airlines, you can see that the guys are not that handsome, and the women managers are not that pretty. Only the front-line low level service staff are very good looking.
@saqi78 (1405)
• Malaysia
11 Nov 10
Hi Scheng I agree with you in this regard, I also think that it ll help you to some extent but after that your intelligence and hard work ll lead you to a higher position, you have good examples in your statement. Actually it also depend on the type of work and working conditions, if you are doing some type of modelling or other stuff like this then definitely these things count over there but if you are working in an office in front of computer then the only thing is ability and hard work. I have seen women who are not beautiful but they had devotion for their work and got good position due to their intelligence and hardworking while beauty can only lead you to a certain point, after that your promotion ll stop. Have a nice day...:)
@scheng1 (24716)
• Singapore
12 Nov 10
Hi Saqi, I think many jobs that require good looks are rather short term in basis. I do not see a super model in the job for more than 40 years, until the official retirement age. That industry does not just want good looks, they want fresh faces and young faces. That is why there is no such thing as promotional prospect. The only thing that matters is the body shape, size and looks. I think at certain level, looks do not count much. Those who can reach the top are usually quite ruthless and hard. Even if they are good looking, people still fear and hate them.
@dragon54u (31647)
• United States
11 Nov 10
I don't think good looks get promotions but if a boss has a choice between promoting a beautiful girl or handsome man over someone that is plain they will choose the good looking one rather than the plain one with similar skills.
@scheng1 (24716)
• Singapore
12 Nov 10
Hi Dragon54u, I do not see it in reality. The woman boss will not promote another woman prettier than her. The male boss will not promote a handsome guy either. The woman boss will also not dare to promote all the handsome guys. Her boss will frown on this behavior. The male boss is in an even more difficult situation. If he promotes the prettiest person in the department, other department heads will say that he is bias. I do not see many beautiful women who are holding the position of HR Director, Chief Financial Officer or such level of job. I think at that level, looks are not so important as some character traits. Those who can reach that level are rather ruthless, and hard.
@del2010 (77)
• Philippines
11 Nov 10
I think having a good look is just one of the factor which is being considered when you are looking for a job but if you are capable to the job that you are applying then you will be automatically out. The management always put on top those applicant who have the talent and determine to land a job. In this case a good looking person is being set aside. In some cases there are jobs wherein you really have a good personality but you must also have the talent.
@scheng1 (24716)
• Singapore
12 Nov 10
Hi Del, actually good personality does not mean good looking. Some people are naturally good natured with strong sense of humor, but they do not look good. They are very suitable to work as sales staff. The minute the customer sees them, the customer likes them. These are the ones who look motherly or like a trusted friend. Some pretty ladies do not have this endearing qualities. They are beautiful but aloof. I think the good looking women have to overcome the social bias too. Many people still think that pretty women are not too smart, and that smart women are not beautiful. Even though mentally they know that looks and intelligence are two separate matter entirely.
@visavis (5944)
• Philippines
11 Nov 10
For me it depends the company to apply with, depends to the work or position to apply with. Then some company looking and normally if you see in the news paper looking for good personality - what means is good looking from face to foot... see you around...
@scheng1 (24716)
• Singapore
11 Nov 10
Hi Visavis, actually good personality is not the same as good looking. Many sales persons are not even good looking, yet they bring in tons of business to the company. These are the ones who care for customers, and can talk to customers as if talking to old friends. Even most top insurance agents are not that pretty. They are smart, persistent, and care deeply for their customers. The only company that selects strictly on looks is Singapore Airlines. They do not even allow the air stewardess to put on weight. Once the air stewardess puts on one pound, they take her off flight duty until she regains the ideal weight.
@ebuscat (5949)
• Philippines
11 Nov 10
For me I don't know about that but the beauty of the woman it very much adds for that kind of work.
@scheng1 (24716)
• Singapore
11 Nov 10
Hi Ebuscat, I doubt you want a beautiful woman as the chief engineer in the top engineering company. I think many people will look at her, and make mistake in their work. For some fields, such as engineering, and sea-going oil tankers, it is not necessary to have beautiful women to hold certain positions. I guess looks are more important in jobs such as movie industry, airline and marketing jobs.
@mhypie03 (684)
• Philippines
11 Nov 10
Based on my observation, I've seen several top-level executives on some companies that are real head-turners because they're hot, pretty and glamorous. But I bet, they're witty enough to be chosen and hold the position.
@scheng1 (24716)
• Singapore
11 Nov 10
Hi Mhypie, I seldom see those beautiful women holding top positions. Most of them are in their 50s or even 60s, and they look more like the average aunties. I think those beautiful women that you have seen must be extremely capable. If they have looks alone, it is very hard to survive in a male dominate corporate world.
@harry89 (2332)
• India
11 Nov 10
Well, i don't think so, i don't think that good looks of a women can get her a promotion. She can get promotion only with her intelligence and hard work. Better looks only can get personal attentions but it won't be with you all the time but intelligence remains with you forever. And you said right that not all women who are on the post of ceo are not good looking but they are intelligent. Happy mylotting. Regards, harry, :-)
@scheng1 (24716)
• Singapore
11 Nov 10
Hi Harry89, that is my observation too. I seldom see those beautiful women reaching the rank of the top management positions. Hardly anyone who holds the post of a CEO is a woman. Among the rare women who manage to get fast promotions, most of them are not beautiful. I think they are really smart, and know what they are doing, but they are not beautiful.
@Graceekwenx (3163)
• Philippines
11 Nov 10
I do agree with you. I believe though, that good looks can give you the advantage to be easily accepted in a crowd but not exactly promoted.
@scheng1 (24716)
• Singapore
11 Nov 10
Hi Graceekwenx, I agree. When it comes to job seeking, those who are good looking can get job easily. However, when it comes to job promotion, I think people dare not promote a beautiful woman over a plain woman. The boss dare not make such recommendation, for fear that his bosses disapprove of his choice, thinking that he is too shallow, and value beauty rather than working abilities. I have never seen a woman Chief Financial Officer who is good looking.
@bokal2703 (802)
• Philippines
11 Nov 10
I think pleasing personality is a plus factor in getting a promotion, however, being beautiful is never enough, in promoting an employee, abilities and intelligence are the main factors to be considered. For example, between a talented, hardworking and very able employee but not that good looking, and a beautiful employee but can not match the qualification of the available position, of course, the qualified not so beautiful will get the spot. But if the two candidates for promotion are an employee that is what we call the complete package (beauty and brains, capable, qualified and able) and a not so good looking but with the same qualities as the complete package, then I am sure that the employee who is beautiful and brainy will get it because aside from her abilities, she also has an aura that will attract possible business partners or investors..but of course it depends on what job that she is doing...
@scheng1 (24716)
• Singapore
11 Nov 10
Hi Bokal, you are right in your example. I think another factor is the immediate boss. If the boss is a practical person, or even bias against beautiful woman, he or she will not promote the beautiful woman. Some people think that those who are good looking are not smart. Some people think that if they promote the beautiful woman, their business partners will think they are bias. Those women bosses definitely will not promote someone more beautiful than them. I think all these are the reasons that seldom do we see beautiful women reaching the senior management post.
@bwaybaby (904)
• United States
11 Nov 10
I feel like good looks can both help and hurt a woman. It helps because, well, I feel like women tend to get judged more for their looks than men. It's just my opinion, mainly based on what I've seen observing female politicians. At the same time, I feel like attractive women aren't always taken seriously. Like, if she's pretty she cannot also have a brain. So it's a bit of a mix, really.
@scheng1 (24716)
• Singapore
11 Nov 10
Hi Bwaybaby, I believe you are right. That is why the top positions do not have much women, even if a woman manages to become the boss, she is definitely not the most beautiful person in the whole company. It is funny to see that while a receptionist is a beauty queen, her boss, either the Admin Manager or the HR Manager, is a plain but smart person. I do think you are right in saying that people distrust the abilities of beautiful women. Over here, some guys in construction industry and shipbuilding industries say that those beautiful women are "nice to see, but no good at their work."
@beeh13u (1040)
• Philippines
11 Nov 10
She's a bit right actually. Intelligence and skills are important but a lot of people prefer beauty with brains. Beauty is power also. Plus added with brains and skills, works wonder. You have to be presentable because you present the future of the company.
@scheng1 (24716)
• Singapore
11 Nov 10
Hi Beeh, for certain jobs I do believe that looks are important. Those TV anchors and air stewardesses are definitely good looking. They must look good in order to get selected for the job. However, for job promotion prospect, I do not think a company will be so stupid as to take into consideration the good looks. After all, they are paying money for work abilities, not just the ability to look nice.