Government "welfare" is not about "welfare"
By ParaTed2k
@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
November 18, 2010 3:32pm CST
Whenever people speak out against the abuses that come with ever expanding government "welfare", the proponents of government "welfare" insist on twisting our words to somehow mean something we don't.
The government wefare system has little to do with helping people out of poverty. In fact, most of it perpetuates poverty. It makes people dependent on the government, then makes it very difficult to get off.
Look at the School Lunch program (for example). People who qualify for "Free Lunch" are so dependent on it, they seem to lose the ability to know how to feed their kids when there is no school. That dependency has become such a problem, schools are now expected to feed kids breakfast and dinner. There are even people pushing for schools to offer meals when no school is in session at all.
Parents have become so dependent on school meal programs, they have come to expect the schools to feed their kids every day.
Just because I speak out against government welfare doesnt' mean I'm against any "safety net" whatsoever. I think there should be a safety net. However, a safety net isn't a hamock.
I have spent a lot of my adult life in disaster recovery. Disaster recovery is just that "recovery". It is meant to get people started in the recovery process. It was never meant to remove the consequences of the disaster from people's lives.
It is the same with the "safety net". Sure, we can find ourselves in a situation where the bottom has dropped out and we are temporarily unable to support ourselves. That is when a safety net is needed.
Family, friends, the church, private organizations, all of these should be turned to first, the government safety net should be the last resort. Why? Because the others are there voluntarily. Since they volunteer to help, they often put limits on the help they can (or are willing to) give. That prevents the needy person from becoming dependent on the help. That is what a safety net is for.
On the other hand, most programs in the government "safety net" encourage dependency. They are desigend to create dependency because the people working for the systems must keep up numbers to protect their jobs.
Politicians love people dependent on the government, because that translates to power for them.
Just because I speak out against government dependency on welfare, does not mean I'm against the government doing anything in the way of welfare. However, I do question the charity of those who think that the government cares about true charity at all.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
19 Nov 10
I asked you this in another discussion but I'll ask it again here...do you know anything at all about welfare reform and the current requirements for most welfare programs? Do you have any examples of how these programs encourage dependency or is that just your opinion?
Your assumption that the goal is to keep people dependent on welfare...that there is some kind of quota to maintain in order to have job security...is as faulty as the idea that the moon is made from green cheese. There is also a big difference between recovering from a disaster and living in poverty. Turn to family, friends or your church? What do you do when everyone in your family, all of your friends and the entire congregation of every church in a 20 block radius is just as poor as you are? People can recover easier from a natural disaster if they have a job, money in the bank and credit...the people who have to resort to welfare programs aren't quite so financially sound.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
19 Nov 10
Here are some *facts* about welfare reform from the Dept of Health and Human Serivces if you'd care to be enlightened teddy. :
http://www.hhs.gov/asl/testify/2007/03/t20070306a.html
@laglen (19759)
• United States
19 Nov 10
[b]Do you have any examples of how these programs encourage dependency or is that just your opinion?
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Multi generational welfare families?
People saying this money is owed to them even though they have never paid taxes? I see this every day and have seen it here too
http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/2175282.aspx
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
19 Nov 10
I agree that the welfare mentality exists, laglen, but my point was that the current programs in every state in this country do not encourage dependency, but are required by federal law, to move people off the welfare rolls. Aside from what folks say, do you have any any real examples of any state's welfare program encouraging dependency?

@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
19 Nov 10
A big problem is that some of the poeple on welfare think of it as an exceptable way of life. They were born it, raised on it and so they stay on it their whole lives and so do their kids...and their grandkids..etc.
How many people in this country are multi-generational welfare recepants? How many have been on it their whole lifes? Tons. It has become a way of life for some.
They just sit back and take it without trying to better themselves. Why work when you can get it for free. Even if it means living very poorly.
There is tons of help out there for people on welfare...they can get pell grants and other assistance for education, and job training. Do most of them take advantage of it? Sure some do. But a lot of them don't.
They are perfectly willing to sit back and let the rest of us take care of htem and then will complain we are not doing enough to help them and want more.
Personally I have no problem with having a safety net. But honestly it needs to come with a time limit on it. YOu only get it long enough to get back on your feet...not for your whole life. If they are forced to take care of themselves they will do it. But because we don't force them to do it they don't.
Now I am not saying everyone on welfare is like that...but there are plenty that are.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
19 Nov 10
This is how it was before the Welfare Reform Act, but things have changed and living on welfare is no longer guaranteed for life. There are limitations placed on how long one can collect, requirements that must be met when it comes to education and job training. What you still see, Lil, is the stereotype that a lot of people still see...but it's wrong. In fact, the recession has caused a new problem for people on welfare who are still facing time limits and job requirements while the job market continues to shrink. Below is an article on this specific problem along with other information about welfare reform in this country. :
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/09/opinion/09mon2.html
@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
18 Nov 10
I agree with you 100%. It's very hard to get one's concerns heard, because of all the mantras put forth concerning every issue! Every new program means big bro government just morphed into a bigger more powerful entity. (And the waste! and lumbering, time consuming bureaucracy. Just about anyone is better at anything, than government is.)




