I'll break your laws. Kill a child and then claim that it's my Human Right.....

@p1kef1sh (45681)
December 16, 2010 1:37pm CST
Imagine that a man comes to your country, claims asylum, exceeds his visa and proceeds to burglarize, harrass, drive without any authorising documentation and runs over a little girl leaving her dead beneath the wheels of the a car whilst he runs away. Imagine that the man is subsequently apprehended and jailed. He is let out and then told that he will be deported. He argues that to do so will violate his human right to a family life with his children in your country - despite the fact that his criminality has denied another family of their child. Imagine if your country's leading court then upheld his right to a family life in the country whose hospitality he has so badly abused - by telling him that he can remain in your country for the rest of his life! These strange facts happened right here in England. Beyond belief isn't it?
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@nannacroc (4049)
16 Dec 10
It is and makes my blood boil. No-one seems to care about the basic human right to life of the child he killed. We used to be a civilised country and value life, what happened?
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@nannacroc (4049)
16 Dec 10
Good idea and I would imagine there would be untold support for that type of action.
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• Regina, Saskatchewan
16 Dec 10
I'd encourage the family that lost their child to sue the pants off their child's killer for denying THEM the right to family life. Might cause the offender to take his family back to where he came from just to avoid the lawsuit and publicity!
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
16 Dec 10
Unfortunately under EU law the Human Rights Act only applies to Government agencies. Ironically, this man is an Iraqi. As British, Canadian and US forces have now created a climate of democracy in that country I would have thought that it would be entirely safe for him to return there.
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@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
16 Dec 10
This reminds me of something that happened here this year. A man from a different culture who had been living with his family here for several years, killed his daughter because she was dating a boy who was from a Catholic family. He said that in his country it would have been allowed - but he was not in his country when he did it for Pete's sake! He was convicted of murder and imprisoned under our laws. If these foreigners expect only the positives from our countries then something is not right but when our, in this case your, governments miolly-coddle them then things become appalling! Globalisation is not working out at all right in my opinion and we are going to realise where we have all gone wrong in a few decades I fear
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@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
16 Dec 10
Thank you for that link! I have it book-marked for the moment because I still have no speakers on this new computer. I think that will push me into getting them tomorrow!
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
16 Dec 10
The judicial system should represent the laws of our societies. But when the law becomes so broad that it favours people whose actions are morally indefensible then there is something very badly wrong.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
16 Dec 10
I think that you can stream it over the internet. Try here: www.bbc.co.uk/radio/
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@dawnald (85129)
• Shingle Springs, California
16 Dec 10
Keep him in England, but toss him in the slammer for the rest of his life...
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
16 Dec 10
Toss him in the Atlantic and save the board and lodging costs!
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@dawnald (85129)
• Shingle Springs, California
16 Dec 10
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@alottodo (3056)
• Australia
17 Dec 10
Geezz you'r b****y nasty! but I agree[ Am I nasty too?]
@catdla1 (6005)
• United States
16 Dec 10
It's pretty similar here, too. Wouldn't you think that allowing him the priviledge to stay that he would enjoy the same penalties for his actions that other citizens do? Or, maybe all criminals should petition the courts that their 'human rights to family life' is impeded by jail or prison time?
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
17 Dec 10
Make me wonder about it all. Yet a woman who came to this country as a girl 60 years ago. Married, worked, paid taxes etc is facing deportation because she never took out British citizenship. She didn't even know that she is a "foreigner" until she applied for a passport last year!
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@catdla1 (6005)
• United States
17 Dec 10
Makes you wonder when model 'should-be citizens' are skipped over in favor of criminals. I don't care where they're from.
• United States
16 Dec 10
Pikey- I am familiar with what is going on over there in regard to Wikileaks, but I am not sure I've heard this particular story before or not. Do you have a news link? Can you give me more of the details? I would think that if he's been allowed to do everything a naturalized citizen could do that if could not be prosecuted in your country, he could be extradited to his parent country to be tried by their legal system. However, I am not completely knowledgeable in the laws of other countries. I know that when an American teen got caught for vandalizing in China he was subject to Chinese law. We could not extradite him to the US for a hearing here. Namaste-Anora
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
16 Dec 10
Wikileaks is different. I see that Julian Assange has been released on bail. I have very mixed feeling about that site. I deplore the leaks but also believe fervently that governments ought to be accountable to the people and that where they deal in an underhand way they should be brought to book. The case that I am writing about is here: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-12007100
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
17 Dec 10
His visa had expired but he argued that by deporting him the Government was violating his human right to remain in the UK with his British wife and children. The Human Right Act is a piece of European Law that was forced on us about 10 years ago. It's purpose is to call governments to account if they abuse the populace. It is being manipulated here for a criminal.
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@oldchem1 (8132)
17 Dec 10
DO NOT GET ME STARTED!! I was SO angry watching this on the news last night, human rights - he's lost all entitlement to ANY rights when he took that child's life!! Watching that poor father last night was hart breaking, and the monster has been caught driving again - what when he kills another kid. I am sick and tired of this sort of thing happening in our country. But you get called 'bigoted' or 'racist' - it wouldn't matter what colour the person was if they come here seeking so called asylum and then break the law they should be gone. Never mind their 'human rights' - what about that child and her parents human rights!! Seemingly according to the judge, Ibraham (the evil driver) had a right to a family life under Article 8 of the Human Rights Act well the poor Houston's have lost their 'family life' when this monster took the life of their daughter.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
16 Dec 10
Yet more proof that political correctness has hit an all time low. That is disgusting and that kind of crap happens here in the U.S. as well.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
17 Dec 10
I think that it happens everywhere. It just seems so unfair.
@LittleMel (8742)
• Canada
16 Dec 10
that's the problem with laws everywhere there is always one law that will help a criminal get away
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
16 Dec 10
Indeed. The trouble is that lawyers always manage to misuse a law and bend it to their client's advantage.
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@Theresaaiza (10487)
• Australia
17 Dec 10
And I thought law-bending was only in Philippines....:(
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@jillhill (37354)
• United States
16 Dec 10
For sure.....just makes you sick. I am wondering what happened to the rights of the child....to live to be an adult...why was that overlooked. I am thinking somewhere they have to give guidelines to what is expected to earn the "rights" they all crow about..
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
16 Dec 10
My views too Jill. This whole thing stinks.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
16 Dec 10
No, it's not beyond belief because it happens in my country, too. It seems our two countries are bound and determined to lose their language, culture, borders and sovereignty in an effort to please everyone all the time! We have illegal immigrants driving on licenses that have been suspended many times--the latest one in the news was responsible for many accidents before he struck a car full of nuns and killed the driver. He's free on his own recognizance, I believe, but I might be wrong. He was deported before and sneaked back in our mostly unguarded border. We print ballots in 70 languages even though to vote you have to be a citizen that can read and write English. We have "sanctuary" cities that protect illegal immigrants that are broke from supporting them with public programs. So I don't find your story unbelievable. It's just rather shocking that those in charge of our two countries can be so abysmally stupid and totally lacking in common sense and foresight.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
16 Dec 10
Laws that are designed to protect people that are genuinely treated unfairly are now being used to circumvent common-sense. Grrrr.
@jerzgirl (9208)
• United States
18 Jan 11
Oh, absolutely beyond belief. I like England, but they have become far too lenient with regard to some things. I'm considered a liberal here and I do think it's horrible for a child who has grown up here (brought here as an infant or toddler by his parents), who knows nothing but this country to be deported because it's discovered that he never gained citizenship or because he was told he was a citizen all along, but someone in the family failed to file the final documents when he was young. Ours HAS done that and this young person has to go to a country they don't know, whose language and culture they don't know simply because his/her parents were illegal or didn't file all the documents. A child is dependent on his parents - why punish him now because his parents failed then? However, in your case, a person who has that much disrespect for the law, who isn't a citizen, who isn't legal and who stayed on illegally, should never be allowed to stay just to be with his family. What morals is he going to instill in his children when he's already shown he has none? How much respect for the law is he going to teach them if he's already shown he himself doesn't respect it? I might understand an annual visitor's visa or pass to see his family because, even if he doesn't deserve it, his kids do, but that's as far as I'd go. He needs to be gone. Period. End of sentence (which was obviously too short as it was.)
@p1kef1sh (45681)
18 Jan 11
Agreed. Coincidentally there was a case recently of a woman who came here 64 years ago as a baby, married and works here who discovered on her return from an overseas holiday that she is not a citizen and might be deported!
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@jerzgirl (9208)
• United States
19 Jan 11
Oh, geez. Well, I hope they come to their senses and realize she has "equal" rights to be with her legal (assume citizen) husband and apply leniency in her case. She deserves it. Like I said, children should not be held responsible for what the parents did when society wasn't as strict in keeping tabs.
@veejay19 (3589)
• India
17 Dec 10
I am not at all surprised at what you have written because it is happening and in a big way, in my own country India.There are millions of people coming for work from the neighbouring countries on work visas.Once they come they simply disappesr and surface with new names and new passports,many a time fake ones.since people from these countries resemble the local natives to a great degree it is very difficult to identify them since they also speak the same language of our country.these people live in shanties and commit inumerable criminal acts like robbery, rape,murder etc and even get away.even if they are caught by chance they go to prison and many times are let out on bail.Once out they once again commit criminal acts and so the story repeats.Many times politicians back them so they get away with anything.Since these people contribute to a major chunk of votes during elections they get away scot free. Its very frustrating for the citizens and all this is due to the corrupt government and high corruption in the governments of the various states.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
17 Dec 10
Politicians are always susceptible to anything that will bring them electoral advantage or disadvantage. We are doubly handicapped because we have European Union Law at work here too. If one law doesn't give the answer that a plaintiff wants then perhaps the other will!
@zeraeign (163)
• Philippines
17 Dec 10
I could not believe that guy. He sure should be deported. I actually don't want to reply anymore here in myLot (because I really don't like the rate) but your post really got my attention. This is quite a hard decision to do. I think he should just be jailed then. Give his child to an adoption center. Waaaaaaaaaa.
@p1kef1sh (45681)
17 Dec 10
They did imprison him. For 4 months! There is no justice.
@p1kef1sh (45681)
17 Dec 10
He has a wife as well. She's British and they can remain with her.
@zeraeign (163)
• Philippines
17 Dec 10
So this guy is in Britain? Why not imprison him? I mean,they can't let murderers on the street, can they?
@ukyo895 (10)
• United States
16 Dec 10
It sounds like a lot of legal tricks to convince a court. Family life in a country should be allowed but if his visa is up and he is now illegal he should be deported. However, if he is allowed to stay he should be jailed for the full time and pay the price for his crime. If he wishes to stay in that country, he needs to follow the rules. I do not know English law, but American law is similar - no one is let out of jail until he is not proven guilty or out on bail. What a weird situation. However, I would assume most of the facts are not given in this post.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
17 Dec 10
He did his time. But then decided to claim his "Human Right" to stay.
@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
17 Dec 10
Yes P1ke it is and again it proves who comes first in this Country, certainly not the People who pay the Taxes
@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
17 Dec 10
Yes P1ke I get that feeling to It is disgusting that he only got 4 months he took a life drove illegal and took someones Child away, but he gets his way to stay and live his Life with his Family, while the Parents of the Girl are now hurting and will never be able to hold or see their Girl again
@p1kef1sh (45681)
17 Dec 10
I sometimes think that this country is run for anybody but us Gabs! He only got 4 months for running the poor girl over! In itself that is shocking.
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• Canada
17 Dec 10
That is unbelievable!!! You have made the perfect point. How can he talk about having his own human rights intact, when he deprives another family of theirs? If an immigrant ran over his kid, he'd probably cry for the person's deportation. What would he cry for if the offender was a citizen? What's wrong with people?
@p1kef1sh (45681)
17 Dec 10
Indeed. The Law is mad at times. I cannot believe that this man is in any shape or form an asset to this country and we should show him the door.
• United States
17 Dec 10
I don't see where he should have any rights. Things like this could cause a local war. That would fit right in to the way the world is now.
• Italy
18 Dec 10
Thats why i dont like human rights organizations, Now why they cant think about the rights of that father who have lost his daughter and even any common man can understand that he is a criminal and will create more violence in the society in future. Actually they dont need to deport him he should be punished according to law. They are allowing him stay in, thats understandable. What i have observed mostly they allow the peoples to stay in their country which are criminal background in their own countries.
@p1kef1sh (45681)
18 Dec 10
They did imprison him but only for 4 months. But he has abused us and I believe that his presence here is something that we just don't need.
@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
20 Dec 10
Killing an innocent children is not an acceptable facts. Justice should serve to all person except the the person committing the crimes... I don't see any violation in the part of the courts if that person must be deported to the country of his origin. There is a law that protect the right of every person and right of a for liberty is not a right to do wrong but a right to do good... There is no human right violation in the part of the court because there is a crimes that he committed and should serve justice to the victim of the crime most specially it is a kid... If the court accept his arguments. I think they are erroneously reviewed the facts and mistakenly granted the motion to reconsider his right to a family life. It should first serve justice to the victims before his argument to be accepted...
@p1kef1sh (45681)
18 Jan 11
I agree with you. I think that the courts have considered the killers rights more than the child and her father.
@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
21 Jan 11
That is some of the mistakes of those people. Called human rights advocates. Because they are more looking into the criminals right than the victims right. If the suspect denied to be heard. They called it...a violation of human rights. But how about the right of those person being aggrieve by the suspect? Are those human rights advocate knows what they fighting for? Are over react on implementing their duties in purpose?
@kahmed09 (92)
18 Dec 10
i just read something about this in the paper! how the hell is this "justice" makes me sick.
@p1kef1sh (45681)
18 Dec 10
Me too. Me too.
@veganbliss (3895)
• Adelaide, Australia
24 Aug 11
I've heard about this & do agree with you here. It's incredible in this day & age. As to the question, if it happened here, his argument would be invalid. Why? Because we are just one of three remaining countries in the world with no Bill of Rights! Check it out here: http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/2567225.aspx The man would be subject to English Common Law & most likely be deported & dealt with as we see fit.
@p1kef1sh (45681)
24 Aug 11
In your case I'd give him a small boat and set him off northwards towards the pirates!