Ok, let's talk realities of US Army Living...

@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
December 20, 2010 11:45am CST
When people in the military talk about close quarter living, most civilians think of something like room mates in an apartment or maybe think back to their days living in the dorms at college. In fairness, some members of the US Army live pretty much like that. I say this at the beginning so no one can say I didn't admit it. When I was in 1st Corps Support Command at Ft. Bragg, we had 3 person rooms with private latrines. In the field it was a little rougher, we lived in GP medium sleep tents.... about 20 people per tent. Privacy didn't exist in the tent, but we did have private showers. However, that is the best case scenario.. lets talk about the worst. Out in the field, latrines were anywhere from a trench about 6 feet long, a foot or so wide. The soldier squats over the trench to defecate, or just urinates into it. There is usually some kind of tarp around the trench (or set of trenches), but nothing separating the individuals using it. Then there were more luxurious latrines. Basically, plywood "huts" with 3-6 holes.. if you're lucky, there are toilet seats on the holes. The plywood goes about halfway up then some kind of chicken wire fills the space between the top of the plywood wall and the roof. That is the male latrines. Female latrines usually had plywood all the way to the roof. They didnt' flush, nor were holes dug underneath. The waste material ended up in "buckets" (1/3 of a 55 gallon drum). About once (sometimes twice) a day, the contents of the buckets had to be set afire by some poor lowly soldier chosen for the detail. Again, there were no stalls, just the holes... they were close enough together that if all the holes had someone sitting them, their thighs were only inches a part. ~~~~~~~ That's how the SUPPORT units had it... in other words, that was the lap of luxury. Let's talk about the Artillery. I was in a Self Propelled Artillery Unit. That means the howitzers looked something like a tank. Every gun section had a gun team and a ammunition team. The gun team basically lived out of the gun. A chief, gunner, assistant gunner and #1 man. The ammo team basically lived out of an ammo carrier. A ammo team chief, the drivers for both vehicles and a couple of ammo team members. During bad weather, we slept in the vehicles. This is also where we took care of personal hygiene and other health related activities. There were no secrets here. If you had to apply some kind of ointment or powder to any part of your body, you did it within a couple of feet of your buddies. When we had time to shower, the "shower" was an "australian shower" (basically a bag with a shower head). We filled the bag with a 1 maybe 2 gallons of (cold) water, hung it on the muzzle of the barrel and raised it up. We put a pallet on the ground so the troop wouldn't have to stand in the dirt or sand while showering (nice of us huh!). There were no tarps or anything around the troop for privacy... it was just him, the wind and everyone else. While one troop was showering, another usually got ready for his shower. The whole shower process took about 30 seconds to a minute and a half. ~~~~ Now we get to the real nitty and gritty. The Long Range Surveillance Team. Long Range Surveillance guys are a rare breed. They dig holes in the ground, then live in them for up to a couple of weeks. Picture a space about 4x4. Now picture yourself and 3 or 4 random coworkers living there with you. The purpose of these holes is to watch a specific area through a small opening in the hole. They will record and report any activity (animal or human) they observe. When you're picturing yourself with those 3 or 4 coworkers living in the hole, think about this. You don't leave the hole for those 2 weeks. Not for urinating, defecating, or any personal hygiene you participate in. Again, if there are any salves or ointments you need to apply to any part of your body, you are doing it right there in the hole. Women, if you happen to be on your period during this two weeks, you will be taking care of your feminine hygiene needs in that hole.. with your buddies just a couple of feet away. Think about the fact that your water supply is extremely limited. How much of that drinking water are you going to sacrifice for hygiene? Considering the fact that men can stay healthy a lot longer than women in dirty and unhygienic conditions, how many gynecological conditions do you think you would be susceptible to as "part of your duty". Men and women who happen to be reading this. Look around at your coworkers. Picture yourself living with them in these conditions. Now tell me again why you think there aren't reasons why opening up all positions to women or openly gay people might cause problems in the ranks.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
21 Dec 10
First of all, I must say as a woman I know I wouldn't be able to handle those living conditions, not even for a day or two. God bless all of those men and women who do and have done so! I'm not going to argue that there wouldn't be problems for a woman in those scenarios, especially the last one. However, I'm not sure what's new about gay men serving. They have been forever, they just couldn't "officially" let anyone know, although in most cases everyone did know anyway. I think given the realities of Army life, as you've described them, we should be thankful there are people who are willing to live under those conditions to serve their country. I don't know why any man would want to deal with those things, let alone any woman wanting to. Annie
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
21 Dec 10
The things is, Annie, there are probably many ways openly gay people can serve without causing any problems at all. But the question isn't even being asked. No one seems to care if someone would have a problem sharing such conditions with a man who very well may (although not necessarily) be sexually interested in them. It's all about the gay person's "rights".. the rest of the people don't seem to matter at all. I read and hear a lot of people saying that they don't see why anyone should have a problem. Well, they do know people would. For decades now I've heard people say that no one has the right to impose their morality on anyone else. Well, aren't the people saying they don't see a problem not only imposing, but mandating their moral standards on others. Rights have become nothing more than something afforded people represented by a special interest group. I'm glad you are willing to admit you wouldn't be able to handle living conditions like I described here. Most would never admit to it, simply because they don't want to admit there are reasons to have a problem with it.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
21 Dec 10
Annie, yes there are many in the military who don't accept certain kinds of jobs or training specifically so they don't have to live the scenarios I posted. I can also honestly say that I didn't bring up the worst of them. You say it's "their problem" if they have such feelings, but when you're talking about these kinds of situations, there is no "their problem" it's "we're all in this together" and if we cant' get it together, we are worthless together... and lives are threatened. 70 years later, the military hasn't stamped out racism any better than our schools have but that's covered in another article I posted. 30 years later, the military has really never acknowledged the real problems that come from women serving along side men in support units. Even though no honest studies have been done, people are demanding the government allow women in the very units I describe here. If you, I and two others lived in that hole in the ground for 2 weeks, what could you imagine could be "your problem" that wouldn't quickly become "our problems"?
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
21 Dec 10
Gee, I'd have thought most people would admit they couldn't or wouldn't live under those conditions. I have no problem admitting it, I can tell you that much! Since I'm far from an expert on military life, could you tell me if everyone in the Army has to be able and/or willing to do the things you wrote about? It would seem to me there are many people, and not just women or gays, who could be very good soldiers but wouldn't be able to handle those particular conditions. I know that no matter what kind of changes are being considered in anything there will be some who have a problem. That's simple human nature. I'm sure there are still those who think African-Americans shouldn't be allowed to serve alongside whites or that women shouldn't be allowed in the military AT ALL. I don't know about you, but I'd say that's THEIR problem! I don't see protecting everyone's rights as mandating my moral standards on those who would keep some from having equal rights. Annie
• United States
20 Dec 10
That is army life not civilians. Both are not in the same situation so it doesn't contrast well.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
20 Dec 10
That's right, Army life is not civilian life.. but civilians make decisions that effect the Army, so I just wanted some of them to get a real picture of what really goes on.
• United States
20 Dec 10
Alright then, the Jesus rifles put the lives of the soldiers more in danger as it escalates the tension between the Taliban and the US army. The crusade issued by the US military worsens their position in Iraq making their lives more dangerous than it it already is. The army even bring boxes of the New Testament in Afghan languages which is evidently not for the soldiers stationed there. Is that off topic?
• United States
20 Dec 10
I was adding something to your worst case scenario.
• United States
21 Dec 10
Army life and civilian life are two completely different things. My friends (many of them who serve in the military or have served) can tell everyone here that it's two separate lives. I was an army brat. My mom and step-father were both in the Army Reserves and my father was in the Air Force. I know all too well how different Army life is from civilian life. When my brother and I were at home (my real home was not on a military base, it was in a city in So Cal), things felt comfortable. When we (my brother and I) were on the base, things were different. We felt like we always had to be careful. We were taught at early ages how to behave on base. My brother and I have been to several Army bases, and it's the same drill for all of them, "You can go here, but not here", "This area is for Military Personal only", "If you need anything in the way of supplies, go to the BX" (we went there quite often), and my personal favorite "Don't piss off an officer!" (My step-father's words).
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
21 Dec 10
True, in most cases, (barring felonies or cruel pranks) what the kids of civilians do has little to no bearing on their parents' careers. Kids just being kids in the wrong place, or being seen by the wrong people can cost military members. I knew soldiers who lived over 20 miles away from the base, just to keep their family life and military life as separate as possible.
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@Masihi (4413)
• Canada
21 Dec 10
Wow, I'm gobsmacked, I mean living in such closed-in quarters is definitely not healthy. And why do you guys go to the loo in such unsanitary conditions? (I'm talking about the closed-in stalls) What's the actual purpose of living in the holes? You have three and four people living in a tiny hole, going to the loo in the same hole that you sleep in, eating in that very same hole, eeks, this is something that a prisoner-of-war might live in, but not uncaptured military guys. You did bring up a valid point when you said women are burdened by their monthly periods, and don't stay healthy as long as men in unsanitary situations. I don't think women should be in the military, in my own opinion, fighting and heavy-duty work is really made for men. I know I sound pretty old-fashioned, but there are many jobs that women can do, even if they're in the military, there's cooking, cleaning, office work, stress counselors, etc. This isn't knocking women down, it's just that our bodies are made differently than men's bodies, that's all.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
21 Dec 10
You make some great points here, Masihi. The fact is, you can be the best at what you do in the military, but if you can't adapt to military life... and obey the regulations, it doesn't matter. You're on your way out.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
21 Dec 10
I explained what they're in the holes for. But yes, they do what they can for sanitation and hygiene. To keep the feces away from their food, they defecate into empty MRE bags and pack it out.
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