Well, folks, the government is finally cracking down
By mysticmaggie
@mysticmaggie (2498)
United States
January 20, 2011 3:30pm CST
on people who hire illegal aliens. They are bringing in the auditors with their vicious briefcases to take care of the problem. Except there are a few other problems they face before they can do their job.
The employer gets to pick what papers he shows the auditors. Don't you just know that every employer out there hiring illegal employees will jump to show the lack of paperwork on them.
Oh, and the auditors can't ask anyone working for the employer to show identification of any kind, 'cause that reeks civil rights violation.
And, if the employer, by some miracle, actually gets caught, he can be penalized, but the workers themselves? Well, they go their merry way off to another job until the way is clear for them to return to the one they left.
I'm so glad that little problem is finally being taken care of.
What do you think of the new auditor controls?
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6 responses
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
20 Jan 11
Why bother sending them out then? What a waste of time and money! I do, however, agree that it's against a person's civil rights for an auditor to ask them to produce identification. You're not required to prove your identity to just anyone in this country.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
20 Jan 11
YOu are required to prove you're eligible to legally work in this country. But let's not let a little thing like that get in the way of companies hiring illegal aliens or anything.
@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
21 Jan 11
Just a note spalladino Law Enforcement only has that right if they are runing your name and or they are looking for you. They don't have the right to do it on a whim.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
21 Jan 11
Yes, you are required to prove that you're eligible to legally work in this country...to your employer. No one else, outside of law enforcement, has the right to walk up to you and require you to produce an ID. Before you go off on a tangent, Ted, try real hard to remember that I'm as oppossed to illegal aliens as you or anyone else is.

@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
20 Jan 11
What do I think of them? They are a lie to protect the corrupt.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
20 Jan 11
It no one has to prove they are legal, how can any investigation be valid?
@mysticmaggie (2498)
• United States
21 Jan 11
Ask our leaders, who have forgotten if you do an illegal act, you lose your rights. Instead, their eyes are on the number of votes they can get and the more illegal aliens we can keep, the more illegal votes go in.
In Arizona, they can no longer even ask for a driver's license idenification or any other type before they vote.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
25 Jan 11
There has never been any legislation or Constitutional backing for the swill that breaking the law negates rights.
@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
21 Jan 11
Just another way to funnel taxpayer money down the tubes and into the pockets of those who do nothing to earn it.. All in all, that's government efficiency for you.. The more they run the better it is (not!) Most folks don't realize the u.s. constitution was written to strongly curb powers of government and SIZE of government.. not to limit the rights or power of the citizenry..
@mysticmaggie (2498)
• United States
21 Jan 11
It's not that the government doesn't realize what the Constitution is for; it's that they couldn't possibly care less.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
21 Jan 11
Let me see if I have this right, if an employer hires an illegal he can be fined. If the employer hires an illegal who produces proper documentation, forged, he can be fined. The illegal can go out and get another job. If the employer refused to hire a person who might be an illegal the employer can be sued. It sounds to me like the administration is out to get the employers in this country.
When I apply for a job I have to produce two types of photo ID, When I cash a check I have to show a Photo ID, When I go to the Doctor I have to show a Photo ID, but if I am suspected of being an illegal the government can not ask me to produce any ID??

@spalladino (17891)
• United States
25 Jan 11
No, bob, you don't have it exactly right. If the employer *knowingly* hires an illegal he can and should be fined. If the employee provided the employer with forged/fake documentation, the employer will not be fined because he has no way of knowing that it is forged/fake. If an employer refuses to hire someone who is a citizen of this country based on the incorrect assumption that that person is here illegally, then he possibly could be sued but most employers don't broadcast why they choose not to hire one person over another.
Your ID examples are good but you left out the one that was connected with your question. Can someone come up to you while you are working and demand that you produce an ID for them? No. Can a cop walk up to you and require you to produce your ID if you're not doing anything wrong or don't fit the description of someone who did do something wrong? If "the government" were allowed to do that in the workplace because *someone* suspected that you were an illegal, what's the next violation of our rights to follow? It's up to the employer to make sure that all of the paperwork is filed and accepted before an employee is hired.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
21 Jan 11
I agree that employers should be penalized for hiring people that are here illegally. But first, before this can happen, you should have to prove that the employer KNEW this person was illegal. Then, that employee should be arrested and prosecuted for being in the country illegally. I understand that enforcement and fines are hard to carry out, but it needs to be done. They want to collect from the employer because they know they can get it from them. The illegal, will flee, because they havent arrested him. If you have enough proof to prosecute the employer, then you have enough proof to prosecute the ILLEGAL.
@mysticmaggie (2498)
• United States
21 Jan 11
Ah, but there lies the rub. The employers can hand over only what papers they WANT the auditors to see, not what the auditors ASK to see.
@asyria51 (2861)
• United States
20 Jan 11
There is no good answer for this. It is a civil rights issue to profile. What if a company does hire all legal workers, and the government comes in because of the color of their skin.
I know that something has to be done, but not what needs to be done.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
20 Jan 11
It is NOT a civil rights anything. That is a red herring, one that has only served to promote criminal actions and terrorism.
@mysticmaggie (2498)
• United States
21 Jan 11
Then all they would have to do is show the paperwork properly filled out to the auditors, but right now, the employers gets to PICK what he will show the auditors. It may civil rights for legal people, but for those coming in illegally, they have already broken the law and lost their rights to many things.
How about road blocks? They ask for identification from EVERY driver, not just the white, the brown, the yellow, the black, but EVERYONE. I'm fairly certain that not every one of those people is a criminal, and if they aren't, they have no problem showing identification. That has nothing to do with civil rights, but with trying to protect those who are innocent.






