Social Security - Who Believes It Still Exist?

United States
February 1, 2011 11:58pm CST
The baby boomers are all retiring. Far too many thought Social Security would be their retirement fund. That is not and never was what it was for. It was a small supplement to retirement. And when it began, there were something like 15 workers to pay for each person getting Social Security. Today, it is down to 2-1. Quite a drop. With the full conversion of baby boomers to retiree status, it may drop to 1 paying for 2. The average age of the retirees has grown immensely. Sometimes Social Security has to pay out for 20 years! Keep in mind that a person drawing their check of between $900-$1200 a months didn't come close to putting in enough to last 20 years of retirement. When I was eighteen, I made $150 every two weeks or a whole $300 a month. Moving up was steady for the most part, but I didn't make good money until I was in my early thirties. By good, I mean maybe $24,000 a year. I stopped working full time at age 56 and worked temp jobs for a couple of years. If I live until age 82, if I never receive another increase, Social Security will pay me approximately $237,000. Is there any way that I put that much into the system to cover retirement? NO...that's one reason the system is broke. There are a few tens of millions of me out there. That means Social Security may bite the dust long before the politicians are willing to say. It is, in fact, already broke since nothing was ever put into a savings fund to draw interest. Instead, it has been tossed into the general coffers and used for everything except it initial purpose. Had my contributions and everyone else's been left to draw interest, there is a good chance there would be enough for us to live on - comfortably. At any rate, those retirees who find nothing left for them to collect, who haven't put their own funds aside will be begging for medical help, too, as well as housing and food. If we are finding it difficult to cover 30 million who don't have insurance, what will we do with the other millions upon millions who will find fewer and fewer doctors willing to take medicare and medicaid? Where will the money come from for these people. The non-workers are almost even with the workers when you count children, disabled and retirees. Where will Social Security come from?
2 responses
@gladys46 (1205)
• United States
2 Feb 11
One of the long term solutions that I've heard President suggest is that those who earn more might pay more into the system. That, to me makes sense. I've read reports that state more than 58.7 million people rely on Social Security checks that average $1,072 monthly. That s/s was the "primary" source of income for 64 percent of retirees who get benefits, that one-third relied on s/s for at least 90 percent of their income. Advocates for seniors argue that the Consumer Price Index doesn't (the system used to determine yearly increases) adequately weigh the costs that most affect older adults, particulary medical care and housing. In all, I think congress should stop borrowing from s/s surpluses (which is substantial) ... and focus on suring up that system for the future something very simply done. Seniors vote and they vote handsomely ... take a poll, see what they say of social security and its importance to them.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
2 Feb 11
Do you think that people who pay more into it should get more out?
• United States
2 Feb 11
Sad to say the only thing in the old Social Security box is a bunch of I.O.U.'s. The 'lockbox' was pried open almost as soon as they voted for it and all Social Security monies are a part of the general coffers. The only thing keeping it going at this time is that the ones paying into it now started out paying more into it than we retirees did. As more and more seniors retire, money is borrowed from Peter to pay Paul - or they print more money which has nothing to back it up since we went off the Gold Standard. The CBO can only work with figures they are given and I think it's been a few decades since they came close to knowing what the government spends on anything, especially little programs like Social Security and Medicaid/Medicare.
@gladys46 (1205)
• United States
2 Feb 11
Yes, mysticmaggie what you say is true. What's so very interesting is that republican leaders say that s/s is in crisis about to go bankrupt!! But, what they never talk about is how much has been taken from it or by whom for what?? I will not believe what republican leaders are stating re s/s solvency ... since I have read and read each time it's release the reports from the trustees of s/s. Those statements document a very different solvency that will need shoring up in the future ... nearing and before 2037. Surely, there is time for that "do nothing congress" to make whatever policies that will do just that SHORE IT UP!!
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
2 Feb 11
It seems to me like "social security" is code for many things, none of which have "security" included. For one, it's opened the door for the argument that "government" should provide for people on a broader scale, bla bla, because if you agree with "social security," then you must have to agree with everything. (Like agreeing on spending a dollar means you agree with spending 5. Weird logic, but government and those arguing in its favor are rather weird if you ask me lol) It's also a license to tax more than I feel government should tax. And even if SS were to evaporate, I doubt taxes would decrease. The government ALWAYS manages to find ways to waste money, so when people shout that "we need to cut social security," I always end up scratching my chin and thinking "is that the best possible place to cut out of the billions they waste every year?" But I think you're exactly right - they treated the money like those old banks that used to go out of business, and everyone waiting in line for withdrawals were SOL! They collected the money, DID NOT use it for any "security" purposes, blew it, and are now trying to trim the output while increasing the input. Government--the way it actually operates, that is--simply doesn't make sense to me. More than anything, it is something wholly unable to create. It only exists because private industry pays for its existence. People paid into SS for most of their lives with the impression that it was THEIR MONEY when they got older and needed it. I guess, in essense, it was supposed to work very socially - this generation take care of the previous, then it's your turn! (More to it than that, I'm sure, but I'm very simplistic and don't need the mumbo jumbo.) That's something government should have never handled, in my opinion. I mean, really - how they can not screw something like that up? Something inherently self-serving and parasitic in nature like government cannot broker a retirement fund or safety net for millions upon millions people. Government itself is already a "social" program. In the end, I view it all in very simple terms. The person I voted for to be my mayor, Congressman, President, etc, is supposed to work for me BUT will make more money than I do, have better benefits, better retirement, and can actually vote to use more of MY money to make it all happen. Game, set, match. The longer I live, the more of a libertarian streak I think I have in me. Limited government! It's harder to screw things up when you're not in every corner of American life. I'm not sure where SS will come from in the future. I just have a feeling people will have to keep paying and that SS will evaporate long before welfare.
• United States
2 Feb 11
Like everything else they hate to face - like real decisions - the government will come to the people one day yelling "EMERGENCY! IF YOU DON'T GIVE MORE MONEY THE WORLD WILL COME TO AN END AS WE KNOW IT! SO WE'RE GOING TO PRINT SOME MORE OF THE PAPER STUFF THAT IS ALREADY WORTH NOTHING AND PLAY MONOPOLY! Does that sound about right to you? I'm so tired of hearing them cry wolf, I'm ready to sic my pack on them. It's an insult to the wolves! lol
• United States
2 Feb 11
Oh, it makes me SICK to no end! They say that you can fool all people some of the time and some people all of the time. Well, when it comes to government, I'm not sure I fall into that at all. Maybe I do, but I've always been extremely cynical of these bozos. Every time they talk about struggling with the people, investing for the future, knowing what it's like, having a handle on fiscal responsibility, this being the "last time" for earmarks and excess spending, etc, etc, I just can't help but roll my eyes. While folks fight over what politicians say, I think we'd be much better served paying attention to what they do. And what they do is not much at all. Their pristine healthcare packages, their catered champagne party events, their private jet rides, the enormous budgets and salaries they set for themselves, the house on the hill overlooking the people - it's all backwards. Americans must really love their country. Truly. Because if they're seeing what I'm seeing, they'd be evading taxes left and right and refusing to enable this corrupt and inept system we have by voting for neither party. (Not that I'd do the tax thing though; I'm not so keen on it, but I don't wanna end up like Wesley Snipes Besides, we know at this point that they invent money and operate America using debt anyway. So we're one turn of the Phillips away from being completely screwed.)
• United States
2 Feb 11
In his own way, Wesley was right. The Federal Taxes were supposed to be a temporary measure to support the war of 1812. It was eventually repealed. Then by 1913, our friendly neighborhood federal government made it permanent to even out the taxes. They definitely evened them out. Forty-five percent of the population pays no taxes outside payroll taxes; five percent pays about fifty-five percent of the taxes (and yet, all those who envy their success want them to pay ever so much more); and the other fifty percent pay about forty-five percent. I see nothing even here. A flat tax where every person who earns any type of money must pay the same percentage of his money for taxes - that would be even, instead of letting 45 percent get all the rights and privileges without having to worry about paying the government to operate.