What is wrong with workers having a choice?

@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
February 23, 2011 6:58pm CST
I don't understand why it's so scary for workers to have a choice whether they want to be in the union or not. I mean, when there are laws requiring people to join unions, the whole concept of "workers rights" is out the window. Please, someone explain to me why "workers rights" can't include the right to decide for themselves whether they want to be in the union or not.
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@ram_cv (16513)
• India
24 Feb 11
I tend to agree with you. It is always the imperative of an individual to decide whether the person wants to join any specific union or not. In fact, individuals can decide to be non-aligned as well. Cheers! Ram
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@millertime (1394)
• United States
24 Feb 11
You hit the nail on the head Ted! I've worked in a union shop where I HAD to join the union or not work. I now work in a "right to work" state, which is exactly what they want to make Wisconsin. I'll take the latter every time. When I was forced to join the union, I was also forced to pay union dues. They used those union dues (MY money) to further their own political goals, which I didn't necessarily agree with. I resented the fact that I had no choice in the matter. I was FORCED to fund activities that were contrary to my beliefs and I absolutely hated it. Workers deserve the basic right to choose to join a union or not to join. They deserve the right to vote to have a union or not to have one, by secret ballot, without being intimidated by union thugs. Union officials don't want workers to have these choices. They want to force people into their fold because it adds to their power. It adds to their coffers. They know that, given a choice, many people would choose not to join them. That takes away their power and that's what they are deathly afraid of. In reality and contrary to what the mainstream press is touting in their Wisconsin coverage, unions will still exist if they pass the legislation they want to pass. There are still unions in the state I live in. They just don't have absolute power over people. Which sounds like a good thing to me.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
4 Mar 11
True, there is nothing about Gov. Walker's plan that destroys unions... unless giving workers freedom of choice automatically means unions won't last.
@lilaclady (28207)
• Australia
24 Feb 11
I have had good and bad experiences with unions, but I do believe people should have the choice to be in one or not but I also believe that those who are in the work union should benefit in a bigger way when the union they pay their fees to get them a benefit...I was always in a union and I worked next to people who never paid into one and yet when the union I paid into got us a nice pay rise the people who never paid into a union also received the pay rise... I don't think that is fair play... maybe they should onlu get a percentage of that pay rise.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
24 Feb 11
Oh, I agree that those who choose not to be in the union can't complain about not getting the pay and benefits the union negotiates. However, if the company chooses to pay everyone the same, then that is up to them.
@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
24 Feb 11
Because unions are money launderers. The people pay taxes which pay the workers, who give some of that money as dues. The unions then support the Democrat party to get the people in that are sympathetic to their business and will promote their interests. The cycle constantly funnels taxpayer dollars to the Democrats and peripherally to abortion clinics, entitlement programs and other things that sane people would not want their tax dollars going to.
@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
24 Feb 11
Absolutely. In many government positions and many school districts, there is no choice. You're either in the union or you're not employed. Same thing in the private sector. In some instances you cannot work unless you join the union. That's wrong and should have never been tolerated. Frankly, I think that it makes no sense to have unions in the government. What that means is that the people - who are actually the employers of these government workers - have little choice in the decisions made between unions and government officials. And that leads to the unions giving orders to the government. Some will tell you that teachers in most areas have a choice to join the unions or not. And, in some cases that is true. But did you know that they still have to pay "fees" to the union to do collective bargaining for them? And did you know that sometimes those "fees" are larger than what they would have paid in union dues if they had joined? There's a great book about this, an it's free. It's called Stranglehold: How union bosses have hijacked our government. Here's the link: http://www.nrtw.org/stranglehold-0
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
24 Feb 11
Yeah, having to pay fees without having a say is called "extortion". On the other hand, I would agree that if you don't pay fees, then there is no reason the union should have to negotiate your pay or benefits. Choosing not to participate means just that.
@satan88 (584)
• United States Minor Outlying Islands
4 Mar 11
i don't know i'd love to have a union job. they usually offer more pay. i guess it doesn't really mak any sense. workers rights are all good and true but at some point the needs of the many will trump the needs of the individual. we can't all win these types of things are way too subjective. on each side the grass seems greener on the other side thus they both want different things. not sure if i'm making any sense here probably not.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
24 Feb 11
50:1 no one comes forward to offer any reason why being forced to join a union is a good thing, but I'm holding out hope. I want to hear the reasoning behind it, because it seems to escape me completely. If a person wants to be in a union, go for it. If they do not, why force them? What's up with these pro-choice Dems never allowing people choice in unions? I don't think it's very conspiratorial to state that Democrats passing measures allowing choice would be detrimental to their reelection efforts, as union bosses would probably have far fewer dollars to feed the kitty. But, oh - let me apologize. It's only private business in bed with government. (Unions having too much power bothers me more, as private consumers can stop giving money over to business, but American citizens can't skirt paying taxes without harsh and swift penalty. And we see that government still spends money even when there's no money to spend, so tell me which is worse. wtf?)