Gender Roles in the World
By matersfish
@matersfish (6306)
United States
July 2, 2011 4:56am CST
Every week it seems as if I'm watching a story about some adults in the world imposing their standards on children, that everything under the sun should be unequivocally gender neutral.
Last night it was about some preschool in Sweden or somewhere, where the teachers are doing away with any words or terms singling out a boy or girl.
The night before last it was a college--yes, a college; a college in the USA!--making it against the rules to say "boyfriend" or "girlfriend." Instead, "lover" or "partner" need to be said, because bf/gf are simply too insulting.
Maybe some of you think this is okay, but I have to smack myself across the face and ask what the frig is going on in the world.
Do you agree that we should evolve past gender? I believe we are in the process of evolving past stereotypes, but it is in no way attributable to people whose way to "help" the issue has been to pretend that no differences exist between males and females.
We are different. That's not to say that one is better than the other. That's not to say one is more deserving of something or that one works harder or that one is more inclined to nest instead of bring home the bacon.
All that is up for an individual to decide, and I believe that changing society's perception happens when you have more of a gender showing that the stereotypes aren't always accurate and not when a kid is indoctrinated with the idea that boys and girls are exactly the same in every shape, form and fashion.
I cannot understand what's in the head of someone who simply cannot accept anything less than a uniform blending. It goes far, far beyond equality. I think they are confused about what equality means. Things can be different but equal; that's not "separate but equal." But some want no definition of gender whatsoever.
Like it or not, we evolved differently. Not just humans, but dang near every living species able to procreate. For the vast majority of all animals especially, there's a male and a female. Now, because we're intelligent animals, we can evolve past playing the roles nature intended for us. But we can never get past the fact that men and women are born differently.
Embrace the differences while treating one another equally. Why does gender have to be deleted entirely?
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2 responses
@Galena (9110)
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2 Jul 11
that's an odd one.
I don't think that there's any such thing as boys toys and girls toys, or that any colour can only be worn by one gender. I tease my friend about the way she buys her nephews and her neice completely different toys, even though they're too young to have had the "this is for girls and this is for boys" ideas imposed on them yet.
but it's silly to remove words identifying gender, because that suggests that there is something intrinsically wrong with HAVING a gender. being referred to as he or she isn't saying that it's better to be one or the other. it's just identifying someone.
it's like a while ago, with that couple raising their child without a gender, and it just makes me think that that could mess up thir ideas, and make them think that there is something WRONG with whichever one they are, and that's why it was hidden. that it's better to have someone think you MIGHT be the other gender than to have them know that you're not.
there's nothing wrong with admitting that different genders exist. it's only wrong if you are treated like you are a better/cleverer/more capable/less capable person because of that.
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
3 Jul 11
I agree. Things like toys and colors are just stereotypical labels we've basically invented and then forced genders into. So I can totally see evolving past that point.
I can't say that I'd ever give my son a Barbie doll to play with or paint his room pink. But I also don't think I'd ever try to impose on him what it means to be a boy. When he's of age and assuming I'm qualified to give him one of those many "talks," I might try to explain to him what I feel my idea of being a man is. But like me with my father, I wouldn't expect him to really listen until he was ready. And if he didn't want to, that's on him.
Likewise with a girl. But I feel that the mother would have the wisdom here, not the father. And I don't find anything wrong with that nor do I see anything discriminatory about that.
That couple attempting to raise a child without a gender just strikes me as completely ridiculous. You're exactly right. It makes the child feel as if there's something wrong with gender in principle.
And the story I was speaking about in my discussion just strikes me as even more scary, because it's not the parents teaching this but the schools.
On a parent-to-child level, you can expect this type of thing to be a sporadic, wildly unbelievable story like the couple refusing to assign gender to their child. When it's the schools, however, it's something that threatens to spread quickly.
Thanks for the response!
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@_sketch_ (5742)
• United States
3 Jul 11
I think that is stupid. I think that the terms "boyfriend" and "girlfriend" make things a lot more clear. They are not insulting at all. If the partner does not identify with either gender, then it wouldn't be appropriate to use gender-specific terms, however, if a male identifies himself as feminine, then it is not insulting, but appropriate to call him a "girlfriend", unless he still wishes to be referred to as a "boyfriend".
I think that it should be left up to the people involved. It is not societies choice to tell us what we should or can be called. Was it not society telling us what we should do/be that led us to this rejection of gender roles in the first place? I think that this is taking it too far.
I agree that differences should not be ignored. Of course we should not judge others, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with discernment. This idea is just an obscene promotion of ignorance and it will confuse a lot of kids. Children should not be forced into a specific gender role, but they should also be left the option to figure out which gender they belong to. If we pretend they don't exist, these children will have a much harder time finding their identities and this could lead to some serious psychological issues.
You are so right about equality. Things certainly can be different, but equal. However, I do not think that we can or have evolved past the roles nature intended for us. I often wonder why people haven't considered the possibility that homosexuality is a part of evolution. Think of it, there is over-population in the world and there seems to be an increase in the prevalence of homosexuality. Of course at least a portion of this is just because people are more open about their orientation as it is becoming more socially acceptable, but perhaps this is not the only reason. Perhaps nature realizes that there is an over-population and so it has evolved some people into being homosexuality in order to prevent them from reproducing and thus helping with population control. In addition, gays can adopt children without homes which also helps. Now this is just a theory, which may or may not be true, however, I don't believe that it can be ruled out. Nature is very intelligent you know.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
3 Jul 11
I agree. An individual wanting to be referred to as another gender is a personal decision that he or she can make for him or herself. But to attempt to remove the terms from society is just something I cannot understand at all.
As far as homosexuality, I think enough people do believe that it is a naturally occurring thing in nature. But using that politically is actually a bad thing.
I mean, almost every other species outside of humans has to scratch and claw to survive. They eat, sleep and procreate. So in the animal community, homosexuality is a total biological defect. Whether or not it happens to curb procreation in any species is as good a theory as any, but it is much more likely that it is a mistake, like being born minus a leg.
Humans can be socially acceptable of these things, as slow as we may be to come around. But that doesn't mean we should forget any idea of gender.
Thanks for the response!
@Galena (9110)
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4 Jul 11
but in a lot of species, not every animal within a social heirarchy will expect to procreate. in some pack animals, only the more dominant individuals breed, while the rest do not, and in some animals, their contribution to the continuation of the species is to ensure that the mother and babies are fed, and protect, even babysit the young and the breeding pair.
so some animals are structured not to have all of them breed, and this keeps the population stable.
@_sketch_ (5742)
• United States
4 Jul 11
Okay, well that is certainly the first time I have ever heard homosexuality being compared to blindness, deafness, and brain damage. I really don't believe that they are comparable at all. Being homosexual does not prevent you from doing anything.
And yes humans can artificially impregnate, but I don't really see your point in this. Animals do need to procreate to survive, but they don't need to constantly be doing this. If the population is too great, they will also die because they will wipe out other species. Sound familiar? Luckfully, humans also have the technology for birth control or else the population problem would be even more severe. At any rate, anything we do technologically is still part of our natural evolution. If a crow uses a tool, nobody questions how natural the tool is. People are animals just like the rest of them. Just because we can do some different things, doesn't mean that it isn't following the same pattern.
I disagree that homosexuality is only viewed as normal and natural because of only compassion and tolerance. We are learning more and more about homosexuality every day and I believe that eventually we will understand it better and I also believe that this will lead to us realizing just how natural it is. I definitely would liken it to skin color and other such things.
All people have different levels of both feminine and masculine characteristics. Those with too much of either have a lot of problems. Asexuals and homosexuals are often much more balanced in this sense, having characteristics of both genders. It sounds like a step up in the evolutionary process if you ask me, and evolution is, without a doubt, a natural process. It reminds me of X-men. They call the ones with powers "mutants" and they say that it is unnatural, despite the fact that they are actually more advanced than the other humans. You may think of homosexuality as a defect, but mutations in a species can make that species much stronger.
The easiest and most effective way of reproduction is asexual reproduction. I am not saying that this is or isn't what is happening here, but we really do not have enough information to rule out the many different possibilities in which homosexuality is the next step in the evolutionary process.
I do not believe that we can rule out the possibility that homosexuality is unnatural. Perhaps a lot of information may seem to point to the contrary, but we do not have enough understanding of the world to flat out state that it isn't. I have known quite a few homosexuals, bisexuals, transgendered people, etc. and I see absolutely nothing wrong with them at all. I can not call it a defect. The only hindrance that it puts on their life is a result of the social stigma surrounding their sexuality. Besides this, it causes no problems or pain inside or out. They can literally do anything that a straight person can do.




