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The Third American Revolution coming soon?
@BalthasarTheRat (656)
United States
July 28, 2011 9:06am CST
Americans have 2 basic reasons for rising up against government: they don't like taxes and they don't like being told what to do.
1776, Britain had pushed the colonies to the breaking point just because it was unbelievably expensive to protect and enforce law across an ocean. It probably came as a relief to a select few smart British leaders when they no longer had to worry about those colonies. But Americans motivation at the time was driven by what the wealthy saw as high taxation. Getting orders from across an ocean didn't help, of course.
1860, The Southern states get ticked off by the taxing and power of Federal government versus State's Rights. Why pay federal taxes just to be told what to do by "that government in the North". Many people died trying to keep America whole. When people talk about those who lost their lives fighting for American rights they often forget these brave souls who fought one another over something as simple as where true American authority lie. The UNITED states of America won. Confederacy, proven to be a poor option in America way back in the 1780s, was soundly defeated AGAIN.
Here we are again though. Between Tea Party rhetoric, State's Rights whining and the bitterness of rich people not wanting to pay taxes, we are on the edge of another revolution. This time the goals are proven anti-American. We could not have survived, let alone prospered, without a STRONG Federal government, but too many people are ready to tear it apart. So many are waving flags and pretending to be American while pushing for a slow decline in that which we fought so hard to get.
My most controversial point is most easily summed up as this: State's Rights advocates are anti-America. Many Southerners still fly the Southern Cross, but at least they're not duplicitous about their position. Anyone who flies Old Glory should respect the strong Federal government that so many Americans have died to protect.
It disgusts me that noone else seems to see it this way. At least noone that is willing to speak out. Everyone is afraid to publicly speak in favor of Big Government and the importance of taxes. Such discussion is largely viewed as EVIL now, but what would we be without them?
This America. We have a right and responsibility to ensure the governemnt is more efficient, but why do so many people want to destroy the Federal governemnt and start over with a proven failed system like Confederacy?
I know alot of you here on MyLot are hating me for this, but it's time to speak for the greatness of America instead of tearing her down!
Rat, A Real American Hero!
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@TheMetallion (1834)
• United States
28 Jul 11
Actually, in 1860 the Southern states got ticked off at the prospect of the government telling them they couldn't enslave brown-skinned people anymore. Here's Alexendar Stephens, "Vice President" of the slaver's treason, admitting it in so many words in his Cornerstone speech:
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?documentprint=76
"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."
@TheMetallion (1834)
• United States
29 Jul 11
It was the one and only reason for the treason.
They may have felt similarly about other issues, but they didn't revolt over those.
@BalthasarTheRat (656)
• United States
29 Jul 11
"reason for the treason", very nice!
I would have hoped not everyone in the Confederacy felt that way. Fortunately I was not there to find out. Imagine what they thought about rats?
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
28 Jul 11
Being against a large government doesn't mean you're against all government.
Not wanting to government to continue to grow further doesn't mean you want to do away with it altogether.
A "strong" federal government doesn't necessarily have to be a large federal government. It just needs to be an efficient government.
The larger the federal government grows, the worse off we all seem for it.
This reminds me of the whole I-heart-the-unions business.
Okay. Sure. Once upon a time and for some things in smaller doses, we salute you, unions, tips our hats, and say thanks. But because you were needed and because you did some good, that doesn't mean you now get to run wild and do what you want. That doesn't mean the entire country can operate using those practices and standards.
Same thing with the federal government. Of course we need a strong federal government for many things.
To micromanage states and set sweeping rules about healthcare and commerce and to assume more power than what is granted states and even courts? I'm not too sure about that.
I'm not of the belief that the federal government made America great. I believe Americans did that despite the government.
For what it was intended to be, a power keeping America safe, I say we need a strong federal government.
To implement its own ideals of social justice and to take from people according to popular leanings and dollar amounts? You gotta be sh1ttin' me.
Who fought hard for the mess we're in today? Make Wall Street eat its share of sh1t for it, but federal government shares equal blame for everything FUBAR in the USA.
How anyone views the federal government with doe eyes is beyond me.
I just don't understand how wanting to get something under control is spun into wanting to get rid of it completely.
It's hard to feign talking sense when it's just the other side of the hyperbole coin.
@BalthasarTheRat (656)
• United States
29 Jul 11
A land "of the people, by the people, for the people". You cannot seperate the American people from their government completely. And you certainly cannot say the Federal Government is to blame for much of our mess and Americans are responsible for most of the good things without spinning your head really fast to hide the duplicity. Our government is as large and strange as it is BECAUSE of all of us.
And how did we get in "the mess we're in today?" Every state and local government fighting for funding, every politician catering to special interests, pouring money into pet projects and peeling back regulation, instead of running the country as a whole. Fear of Big Government has been the paralytic evil (and Republican rallying point) since the Civil Right's movement. (Not a coincidental connection to the Civil War, methinks.)
It's not "doe eyes" but it's not the blinding hate people have been spouting either. Sometimes the hyperbole of the opposite viewpoint is needed to make people think. (I'm channeling a little Voltaire here!) It only seems to be feigning "talking sense" when you've been brain-washed by the other side.
And you mention Unions? Bigger government would have eliminated the need for Unions. Government should have reined in the few companies that were abusing our citizens and the Unions would have never been needed. And that problem goes all the way back to the Civil War again. Here it's been the Democrats protecting their precious Unions instead of focusing on the real problems.
I am fully in favor of Constant Vigil upon our government, but attacking Big Government is very different from focusing on improved efficiency.
Long Live the USA!
& Welcome to the Rat division of the Republican Party!
And you mention Unions? Bigger government would have eliminated the need for Unions. Government should have reined in the few companies that were abusing our citizens and the Unions would have never been needed. And that problem goes all the way back to the Civil War again. Here it's been the Democrats protecting their precious Unions instead of focusing on the real problems.
I am fully in favor of Constant Vigil upon our government, but attacking Big Government is very different from focusing on improved efficiency.
Long Live the USA!
& Welcome to the Rat division of the Republican Party!@matersfish (6306)
• United States
29 Jul 11
Don't hurt your back from all the patting.
Half of what you say makes sense enough... until you realize that the American people have very little control over the federal government - what it does and who gets to serve. So it's not like the federal government of today is a reflection of society at large. It's not. For every elected politician, there's a bureaucrat or few, a "czar" or dozen, judges, etc, lifted into positions of power through association and pure party politics without the public having say at all.
While I hold the American people responsible enough for all the fraud and waste and vitriol coming out of government, myself included, there is still a very large separation between Americans and our government at the highest level.
You mention duplicity, but your stance seems very contradictory. Politicians catering to special interests, etc, but a BIGGER federal government being a good thing. How exactly? A bigger government wouldn't police itself and set itself on the straight and narrow. If anything, a bigger government is more likely to be f'd up.
The problem I have with big government, in particular, is that the theory never works itself out into practical application.
It's easy to sit there and say a big government could have smacked out abusers and straightened the mess out. But be honest. We both know that's not what happens with government. Government plays favorites. Government picks winners and losers. And the larger the government is, the more it is enabled to do so.
If government worked in the interest of the people rather than the interest of itself, I would be right on board with you - your biggest fan on the wobbly soapbox. But what evidence is there of big government working for the people in charge rather than working for itself? I personally don't see it. The closest it ever comes is one side working for one side, telling the other side it knows what's in its interest.
But to your original post and the hyperbole point: Asserting the tea party folks are Confederate flag-waving, government-hating, greedy enemies of America is on some Jeanine Garofalo stuff. Honestly.
Attacking government is probably the best way to improve efficiency. With a larger Rat division in America, we'd all just be sitting back and hoping government did right by us all.
That's worked out well thus far.



