Face it Anti War Liberals, Ron Paul is the only Pacifist choice.

@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
August 20, 2011 10:18am CST
In yet another reversal of a campaign promise, it's been announced that the Obama administration and Afghan officials are "close to signing a pact" that could keep US troops in that country until 2024. When the anti war crowd can't even rely on the Democratic party, who do they have to turn to? Well, the only current candidate who has proven himself to be true to the anti foreign war, and willing to bring the troops home is Ron Paul. So, anti war folks... are you serious about "bringing the troops home"? Obama's not going to; neither is Congress (no matter which party gains control). Ironic isn't it? The best way for you to get your issue taken seriously in 2012, is vote Republican. Are you willing to put partisan politics aside and vote your conscience? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/8712701/US-troops-may-stay-in-Afghanistan-until-2024.html
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
20 Aug 11
Most of the Anti War Crowd will not vote for Ron Paul. First Ron Paul is a man of principal and will fight for what he believes. No the Anti War crowd will vote for the democrat who makes all kinds of promises to get their vote then ignore them after elected.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
20 Aug 11
That's kind of why I posted this. To call them out.
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• United States
21 Aug 11
Bob, don't ALL presidents do that?
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
22 Aug 11
Debater, all presidents may do that, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't be called out when the vote for someone who doesn't share their views on issues, when there is another candidate that does.
• United States
21 Aug 11
Absolutely true. And you don't seem to be getting any responses from the anti-war crowd. I think most of the anti-war BS is actually political animosity of the opposing Party to whoever is in office. Bush-haters loved to bring up war issues and now Obama-haters bring up war issues. It has nothing to do with really being anti-war, I fear. It's politics as usual.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
7 Sep 11
You're assuming here that if someone is an "anti-war liberal" he or she doesn't care about any of the many other issues facing us. I think you know how much I'd love to see all of our troops come home YESTERDAY but that doesn't mean I'd be willing to risk everything else I care about. Ron Paul may be anti-FOREIGN-war but I fear if he were to ever become President we'd soon find ourselves in another civil war right here on our own soil, maybe several civil wars all at once. It would be whites against minorities and businesses against the working class for starters. Sure, maybe the troops would come home but to WHAT? Annie
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Sep 11
So you are willing to vote for someone who you know will perpetuate the wars you are against, for fear of a war that is pretty much of your own imagining? Hmmmmm.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
8 Sep 11
I'm NOT willing to vote for someone with whom I disagree about everything BUT the wars. After watching last night's debate I realize Paul would be the scariest of all the GOP candidates, and that's saying a lot! Annie
@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
21 Aug 11
I don't know that I would describe myself as a "pacifist per se'. I am not necessarily "anti-war" but, by the same token, I don't know anyone who is actually "pro-war" either. I believe war should be taken on when our national security is at immediate peril and that we should not extrapolate circumstances to arrive at that conclusion. I also don't think our national defense benefits from sticking our noses in to hornets nests around the world. One could argue this creates far more national security issues than it solves. I admittedly supported the Iraq war once it was under way, mostly because I believe that once your teams starts a game (even a game you don't agree with), you don't stand in the bleachers to hiss and boo them. I also bought in to the idea that Hussein was an immediate threat to our national security at the time. I was naive and I openly admit it. I became very disillusioned during the last few years of the Bush administration. So this is where the difference comes down to. How much war vs. how much not interfering does it take to keep us safe? This is where Ron Paul truly diverges from the majority of the federal government. Given a comparison of the two, Paul has been demonstrated time after time to be right(and not just in matters of national defense)...where as most of time, the federal government has been wrong...very wrong and with drastic consequences. I am on a quiet mission to convert Democrats. I simply point out what Obama has done vs what Paul would have done and ask them to compare the two men in the context of the person's personal ideology. I actually managed to convert one so far (lol, it's a work in progress). I would also add that I still strongly maintain that Ron Paul is the ONLY Republican who can beat Obama in the general election. If the Republicans nominate anyone else...they are looking at a second Obama term.
@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
21 Aug 11
"do you really think that republicans would nominate Ron Paul?" That is a far more complicated question than it seems to be on the surface. Many, would not, many others would. I would say his biggest deficit in the Republican party comes from the staunchly social conservative/pro-empirical segment. Unfortunately, this segment is also the loudest and most organized portion of the party at large. Much of the libertarian wing have been duped by the tea party organizations in to believing that Paul is naive on foreign policy and that he wants to do things like "legalize heroin". Hence, my mission. There are a lot of disillusioned Democrats out there (I do understand you may not necessarily be one of those). Most realize a primary challenge for Obama is probably not going to happen, though it would be immensely entertaining. So, what's a real liberal to do? Re-register as a Republican for the primaries and vote for Ron Paul. They can still vote for Obama in the general election if Paul doesn't get the nomination and be no worse off than they were before. **Side note** Another game changer for your question is the media. Right now they ignore or brush Paul off as the party's crazy but lovable old uncle. For example...do you know who won the NH straw poll with a 45% over 8 other candidates? The news today is that Bachman is skipping the Florida Straw Poll, but no mention of the NH straw poll on any of the big 3 news networks or any of the main stream broadcast networks, save for our local station WMUR and some state news papers and some blogs and forums. I'll bet if Bachman, Romney or Perry had won it, it would have been headlines in all venues almost instantly.
• United States
21 Aug 11
X, the moral right of the GOP is also very wealthy, and hold the key to the south. If you don't win the south, you might as well not even run. Ron Paul has done very well in all of the straw polls, but NO ONE is covering that in the media, not even the far right. I still have a belief that the GOP will support anyone EXCEPT Paul, no matter what happens (remember when he was at the 2008 GOP convention, do you think anyone at the GOP remembers that?). I would consider voting for Paul, but not as a republican, I would only vote for him as an independent. He reminds me of a wife who has been cheated on hundreds of times, but stays with the man because she "loves him." I personally think he missed a golden opportunity to lead the tea party last year, and finally give them the leadership that they need. Without leadership they are going nowhere. I know that Paul won NH, but according to republicans NH is full of a bunch of nuts and Paul fits right in. I don't agree with that, but what else is the GOP going to say?
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• United States
21 Aug 11
X, do you really think that republicans would nominate Ron Paul? I don't see it happening, but I think that he might finally give up on that idea, and finally go independent running against both parties. Paul has a lot of people in the GOP that don't like him, and as bad as Obama is, I think that they would rather lose with someone else and try again in 2016 than support Paul and be stuck with him for 8 years.
@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
20 Aug 11
You're right. The only anti-war choice is Ron Paul. It will be interesting to see if some liberal Democrats come on and explain who they can be anti-war and continue to vote for Obama.
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